Reethigowla / Ritigowla

srkris · Post by **srkris** » 24 Sep 2006, 10:25

Starting out with a great lec-dem by R.K.Srikantan on this raga on 18-Aug-2002. It is in Kannada, but is easily understandable to Tamils (it was to me, except for a few places)

http://ananyaculture.org/rks-talk.ram

Could someone knowing Kannada do a translation for everyone's benifit?

The lec-dem is followed by Mysore Vasudevachar's "Mama Hridaye"

Source page: http://ananyaculture.org/sangeetha.php

mahesh_narayan · Post by **mahesh_narayan** » 24 Sep 2006, 20:31

Whenever I think of this raga, it is Sri. Semmangudi's Dwaitamu Sukhama that comes to my mind. The kriti, followed by torrential swaras, is always electrifying. Also Janani Ninnuvina, which he immortalized through his frequent renderings. Some other memorable listens for me are Sri. DKJ's Nannu Vidachi, my guru's Sadguru Swamiki, Ninnu Vina Mari Galada and Sri NilotpalaNayike (which my dad taught me after learning from Sri RRI's Kritimanimalai), and Sri MMI's Tatwamariya Tarama. Difficult for me to pick which stands out among these. Personally I would pick Tyagarajas's creations (Dwaitamu, Ragaratna and Nannu Vidachi), simply because he covered Adi, Rupaka, and also Misra Chapu talas. But for sheer raga bhava, I rate Sadguru Swamiki (especially the charanam) higher than other major kritis in this raga. Of course there are other kritis like (Badalika Dheera, Paripalayamam, Cheraravade, etc...but I rate them a tier below the above-mentioned kritis). Please note that my spectrum of known kritis is not very broad, just about decent.

Dikshitar's Nilotpalambam and Sri NilotpalaNayike are in the same raga right?

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 24 Sep 2006, 21:02

The first one is in nArirItigauLa and the second in rItigauLa.

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 24 Sep 2006, 21:27

One of my favourite rAgas certainly.I like ssi's rAga alapana ,mmi's tatvamariya. When I was in school I felt electrified while hearing santhanam rendering guruvAyoor appane (ambujam krishna composition). Also enna punniyam seidhenO by OVK , incidentally sung in lot of nAmasankeerthanam is wonderful.

mahesh_narayan,
Go to the link http://www.sangeethapriya.org/%7Etnbala/ and download the TS Balakrishna sastrigal ThyagarAjaKshetranam.zip . He talks for the first 45 minutes on Dwaithamu sukhama , incidentally it is an english kalakshebham. Absolute bliss, with TSBS lucid explanation, you will like it more...

ramakriya · Post by **ramakriya** » 24 Sep 2006, 22:25

Lakshman wrote:The first one is in nArirItigauLa and the second in rItigauLa.

I have read this statement before -But does it really make sense?

Would MD consider kalyANI and shAnta kalyANi as different rAGs ? Or would he consider vasanta bhairavi and vATi vasanta bhairavi as different rAGas? Then how could he call rItigouLa and nArI rItigouLa as different rAgas?

-Ramakriya

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 25 Sep 2006, 01:04

I don't know but that is how they are listed in Vinai A.Sundaram Iyer's books.

Aravind · Post by **Aravind** » 25 Sep 2006, 03:57

Namaste,

Here is my 2c.

A more relevant comparison in this context would be kharaharapriya - shri , harikambhoji - harikedhara gowla and not kanakambari and kanakangi.

I think Dikshitar composed nIlotpalamba bhajare in the present rIti gowla and shrI nIlotpala nAyike in nArI rItigowla. (BMK has not sung shrI nIlotpala nAyike in the original form)

nArI rItigowla being a mela in the old system with just n2.

From a laxshya aspect rIti gauLai is one of those few special rAgAs that was still evolving and taking shape during ThyagaraÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s time. Ananda bhairavi had existed for a long time and had accumulated enormous beauty and lilting phrases. This raga again was changing its shape during the trinity era. rIti gauLai absorbed some of old Ananda bhairaviÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s sancharas and had itÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s own beauty with the double nishada.

I think Dikshitar gave an earnest attempt to preserve the old Ananda bhairavi, Shastri gave the new Ananda bhairavi a front seat and Thyagaraja waved his magical wand on rIti gauLai.

Phrases like nityAnanda rUposmi, brahmAnanda rUposmi in AnandeshvareNa, hR^itkamalA nagara nivAsini in kamalamba samrakshatu etc show traces of old Ananda bhairavi that are now in rIti gowla.

Let me see if I can dig out some old AIR recordings of nArI rIti gowla.

srinidhi · Post by **srinidhi** » 25 Sep 2006, 11:39

To add to the list- the beautiful Ata tala varna "Vanajaksha" by Veenai Kuppiyer. It has such beautiful, haunting phrases . Esp the 2nd of the Ethugade Swarams which goes something like "NPNNS NSGGM SM,MGR SG,GRS....( in mantara sthyai)

Mahesh_Narayan,

During his early years, Guruji had tuned "Abakara Nindai .." in reetigowla. It is now popularly sung in Chakravakam today, but there was a time when it was also sung in reetigowla. Do you remember it?

Vocalist · Post by **Vocalist** » 25 Sep 2006, 13:06

My favourites
Guruvayurappane (Ambujam Krishna, tuned by TNS)
Thandava Dharishanam (Gopalakrishna Bharathi)
Nannu Vidachi (Thyagaraja)
Neelothpalamba (Dikshithar)
Enna Punniyam (Oothukkadu)
Ninnuvina (Syama Sastri)

nsbhushan · Post by **nsbhushan** » 25 Sep 2006, 18:09

Our own DRS has composed and sung a kriti in nArI rItigowLa. Check the link http://rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=255&p=7#p5067

mahesh_narayan · Post by **mahesh_narayan** » 08 Oct 2006, 05:01

Hello Srinidhi,
I am aware of Guruji's various compositions in this raga and learnt a couple myself.

In Shri RKS's kannada lec-dem on ritigowla in sangeethapriya.org, he lists 'parvatarajakumari' and 'Sri Dum Durge' as examples of kritis in this raga. Is there a sampradaya of these kritis being rendered in ritigowla?

Dr. Shrikaanth or anyone: I speak kannada to a decent extent, but I felt that Shri RKS's style of kannada was a little tamizhized. Some words he used seemed to be tamizh words. (like 'jeeva prayoga ella gavunisko beku'). Do you guys think the same? If not, maybe I need to improve my kannada a lot:).

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 08 Oct 2006, 05:04

mahesh_narayan wrote:Dr. Shrikaanth or anyone: I speak kannada to a decent extent, but I felt that Shri RKS's style of kannada was a little tamizhized. Some words he used seemed to be tamizh words. (like 'jeeva prayoga ella gavunisko beku'). .

No not at all. There is not even a trace. ANd there is no reason why it would be

It is "gamanisa bEku".

mahesh_narayan · Post by **mahesh_narayan** » 08 Oct 2006, 05:09

Thanks:). I picked up Kannada only through 'kelvi gnaanam'. Some more kelvi is needed:). Or gnaanam:). Whichever helps:)

Could you throw some light on the Dikshitar kritis mentioned above?

ramakriya · Post by **ramakriya** » 09 Oct 2006, 11:37

mahesh_narayan wrote:In Shri RKS's kannada lec-dem on ritigowla in sangeethapriya.org, he lists 'parvatarajakumari' and 'Sri Dum Durge' as examples of kritis in this raga. Is there a sampradaya of these kritis being rendered in ritigowla?

I had not noticed this till you mentioned! He does mention there, but I have no clue if there was such a tradition anytime ?

-Ramakriya

Jyothsna_music · Post by **Jyothsna_music** » 29 Nov 2006, 20:18

Does anybody have reethigowlai varnam rendition by any artist in adithalam. composed by Pinakapani

Rgds
Jyothsna SaiRam

venkatakrishnan · Post by **venkatakrishnan** » 09 Jun 2007, 07:20

hi i am new here.i very recently listened to nithyasree singing nariritigowlai of dikshitar in some recording.it had traces of ritigowlai and natabhairavi.i learnt that nariritigowlai is parallel of natabhairavi in the asampurna paddhati.so can somebody throw some more light?

bhaktha · Post by **bhaktha** » 09 Jun 2007, 09:18

Please refer the following:
http://www.rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=1225
-bhaktha

venkatanathen · Post by **venkatanathen** » 09 Jun 2007, 22:38

Dear mahesh_narayan Ji,
Thank you very much for providing this link.

Thanks
Adiyen dasan.

rameshviyer · Post by **rameshviyer** » 17 Jun 2007, 20:47

hi whenever i hear songs based either in carnatic or filmbased in reethigowla i feel more energised and great happiness why is this?

i have also tried to feel the same in other raagams but not able to feel the same effect.

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 26 Jun 2007, 15:58

try this reethigowla for a change.
http://www.sendspace.com/file/v1bhoq

It is a bit out of the ordinary

music2407 · Post by **music2407** » 28 Jun 2007, 22:49

hi ,

I am not able to listen to or download the sendspace file.any suggestions?

Vocalist · Post by **Vocalist** » 28 Jun 2007, 23:46

if coolkarni (or someone who has the audio) could please reupload for us

shishyapriya · Post by **shishyapriya** » 29 Jun 2007, 01:37

There is also a commerical recording from Aruna sairam - "Jo JO rAmAa" in ritigowlai

shabhutej · Post by **shabhutej** » 31 Jul 2007, 09:39

Whenever i think about this raaga, 'Chara ravathe...." sung by young Vid.Balaji Shankar comes to my mind, with mannargudi's mrudangam! Thatz great performance....
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arunk · Post by **arunk** » 05 May 2008, 21:09

A humble contribution: http://sunson.wordpress.com/2008/05/05/ ... ritigaula/ - my personal opinions on this raga, with some analysis and demonstrative samples.

Arun

balusatya · Post by **balusatya** » 05 May 2008, 23:26

Brahmananadame Paramaguru Pada seva-a beautiful piece of Meesu Krishnier set to tune by Alatoor Venkatesa Iyer.

balusatya · Post by **balusatya** » 05 May 2008, 23:33

Brindavana nilaye -OVK.

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 06 May 2008, 01:26

yes brindAvana nilayE is a superb piece. I have listened to only one recording. Anyway I forgot to mention it

ramakriya · Post by **ramakriya** » 06 May 2008, 01:32

One of my favourites is SrI nIlOtpalanAyike, sung in (regular) rItigouLa by BMK and RKS

-Ramakriya

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 06 May 2008, 01:35

? I thought it was nIlOtpalAmbAm bhajarE that was sung in that rItigowla? I know that is the one Sowmya has sung in D2 rItigowla in that CD set of all those krithis. This one is also sung that way?

Arun

ramakriya · Post by **ramakriya** » 06 May 2008, 01:56

Yes; You can find RKS singing it in the lec-dem on rItigouLa in the following link.

http://www.sangeethapriya.org/Downloads ... index.html

BMK's pAThAntara, is almost the same as Sri R K Srikanthan's. It is available in several commercial recordings - and may be available on line. I have not checked.

-Ramakriya

ramakriya · Post by **ramakriya** » 06 May 2008, 02:05

BMK's SrI nIlOtpala nAyikE is supposed to be here, but I am getting a file-not-found error

http://www.sangeethamshare.org/sunil/gu ... M--BMK.mp3

-Ramakriya

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 06 May 2008, 02:09

ramakriya wrote:BMK's SrI nIlOtpala nAyikE is supposed to be here, but I am getting a file-not-found error

http://www.sangeethamshare.org/sunil/gu ... M--BMK.mp3

-Ramakriya

I too got an error for BMK as well as Soumya's- that's why I requested in the other thread

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 06 May 2008, 02:25

ramakriya - Ah! i did not know that (i havent yet had time to listen to the whole lecdem of RKS).

BTW, did you read an article on sangeetham.com long ago by Dr. VV Srivatsa? His argument for nIlOtpalAmbAm to be in D2, and SrI nIlOtpala nAyikE to be the asampUrNa mELa one was the specific choice of words in the latter: "rItigauravE dEshika pradarshita cidrUpiNi nata bhairavE. Of course nIlOtpalAmbAm has rIti kauLinIm. Dr. VVS was giving special importance to the nata bhairavE (although shouldnt have been naTa or naTha to be of importance??? - but still ...). He views it has clues that dIkshitar left as acknowledgement-of and differentiation-between the two rItigowla's during his time. Thus the reference to the D1 rItigowla being similar/part of the 20th sampUrNa mELa etc. The choice of nata bhairavE in this specific krithi cannot be arbitrary and has to have musical significance. It is an intriguing argument.

Suji - i thought you were asking for the one with D1 (i.e. today's nArirItigowla)? I have heard Nityashree also sing SrI nIOtpala nAyikE in the D1 (nAri)rItigowLa.

Arun

ramakriya · Post by **ramakriya** » 06 May 2008, 02:45

arunk wrote:ramakriya - Ah! i did not know that (i havent yet had time to listen to the whole lecdem of RKS).

BTW, did you read an article on sangeetham.com long ago by Dr. VV Srivatsa? His argument for nIlOtpalAmbAm to be in D2, and SrI nIlOtpala nAyikE to be the asampUrNa mELa one was the specific choice of latter: "rItigauravE dEshika pradarshita cidrUpiNi nata bhairavE. Of course nIlOtpalAmbAm has rIti kauLinIm. Dr. VVS was giving special importance to the nata bhairavE (although shouldnt have been naTa or naTha to be of importance??? - but still ...). He views it has clues that dIkshitar left as acknowledgement-of and differentiation-between the two rItigowla's during his time. Thus the reference to the D1 rItigowla being similar/part of the 20th sampUrNa mELa etc. The choice of nata bhairavE in this specific krithi cannot be arbitrary and has to have musical significance. It is an intriguing argument.

Suji - i thought you were asking for the one with D1 (i.e. today's nArirItigowla)? I have heard Nityashree also sing SrI nIOtpala nAyikE in the D1 (nAri)rItigowLa.

Arun

With all due respect to Sri V V Srivatsa - I still think *all* compositions of MD in rItigouLa were had only D1; For Muttuswamy Dikshita, rItigouLa was the 20th mELa and it would have only D1. Would MD choose to compose one kriti in shankarAbharaNa and another in dhIra shankarAbharaNa? Or one in kalyANi and another in shAnta kalyANi, calling them as 2 different rAgas? I find the argument about rItigouLa and nArIrItigouLa two different rAgas for MD very similar!

The 'nata bhairavE' phrase may be an indication of the 20th sampUrNa mELa - True. There are other kritis where he has suggested the alternate names as in srI sUlini in shailadESAkshi and pAmarajanapAlinin in sumadyuti.

-Ramakriya

venkatpv · Post by **venkatpv** » 06 May 2008, 02:47

the lakshana slokam given in the SSP says "ritigaula", although the ragangam is called "nariritigaula". SRJ mama says this very clearly in one of his lecdems.

IMHO, "rItigauravE dEshika pradarshita cidrUpiNi nata bhairavE." proves nothing.

edit:
ramakriya,
i am sure someone will quote Sivakameswarim, which has the raga mudra "Shanta Kalyana"

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 06 May 2008, 02:49

venkat - No one is saying that nArirItigowla is different from rItigowLa in dIkshitar's system. That is sort of irrelevant here. Please read the import of the argument again. The point is whether dIkjshitar *could have* composed in the other rItigowLa which he most probablty wasn't oblivious to given that he interacted with tyAgarAja and his disciples. But again - this is just one argument. Obviously not everyone buys it.

Arun

venkatpv · Post by **venkatpv** » 06 May 2008, 02:52

i doubt it arun, because that goes against the very basis of calling ritigaula the 20th ragangam!

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 06 May 2008, 02:53

you guys are missing the point. During dIkshitar's time there is no doubt that 2 rItigowlas were in practice. That is not the case for Sankarabharanam and dhIraSankarabharanam. Quoting that is a silly counter argument

Now it is certainly possible he did not compose in both rItigowlas - but it is theoretically a possibility. Like I said it is just an argument

Arun

venkatpv · Post by **venkatpv** » 06 May 2008, 03:05

it is possible, ofcourse! but as i said, it defeats the purpose of calling it the 20th ragangam... thats my opinion.

ramakriya · Post by **ramakriya** » 06 May 2008, 03:06

arunk wrote:. During dIkshitar's time there is no doubt that 2 rItigowlas were in practice. That is not the case for Sankarabharanam and dhIraSankarabharanam. Quoting that is a silly counter argument

Now it is certainly possible he did not compose in both rItigowlas - but it is theoretically a possibility. Like I said it is just an argument

Arun

Arun,

Whether the argument is silly

or not, there were other instances of rAgas with dual identity during MD's time, but he chose to compose only in those rAgas that are seen in Muddu Venkatamakhi's rAgalakshaNa ( IIRC, abhOgi is the only exception).

My case with shankarAbharaNa and dhIrashankarAbharaNa, and kalyANI and shAntakalyANI, are just to illustrate how thin the difference is ( or non-existent) between rItigouLa and nArIrItigouLa when you look from the angle of MD or MV.

-Ramakriya

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 06 May 2008, 03:54

ramakriya wrote:My case with shankarAbharaNa and dhIrashankarAbharaNa, and kalyANI and shAntakalyANI, are just to illustrate how thin the difference is ( or non-existent) between rItigouLa and nArIrItigouLa when you look from the angle of MD or MV.

And I did not deny this - but again look at it this angle. This is true ONLY for the D1 rItigowLa. Like I said, whether he composed in it or not, I would assume he wasnt burying his head, and closing ears to the other rItigowLa to believe it did not exist

So during his time, among the music he was exposed to - there WAS a difference between rItigowLa and nArirItgowLa - of course only because there was another raga with the name "rItigowLa" - a raga in which one other composer he respected a lot, was simply was outstanding in. So I repeat this is certainly not the case as Sankaharabharanam vs. dIraSankarabharanam. That would have applied BEFORE the D2 version started showing up. It certainly was not a case like that during MD's time.

PS: to clarify I am not saying that for 100% sure he composed in D2. I dont believe there was 0% possibility either. I am willing to take it to 50%

Arun

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 06 May 2008, 08:16

ramakriya wrote:BMK's SrI nIlOtpala nAyikE is supposed to be here, but I am getting a file-not-found error

http://www.sangeethamshare.org/sunil/gu ... M--BMK.mp3

-Ramakriya

try this link. It worked for me
http://sangeethamshare.org/sunil/gurugu ... M--BMK.mp3

shripathi_g · Post by **shripathi_g** » 06 May 2008, 11:12

http://sangeethamshare.org/sripathy/Aud ... igowla.mp3

Vocalist · Post by **Vocalist** » 06 May 2008, 16:10

arunk wrote:I have heard Nityashree also sing SrI nIOtpala nAyikE in the D1 (nAri)rItigowLa.

Yes, a lovely rendition too

Vocalist · Post by **Vocalist** » 06 May 2008, 16:12

Vocalist wrote:
arunk wrote:I have heard Nityashree also sing SrI nIOtpala nAyikE in the D1 (nAri)rItigowLa.
Yes, a lovely rendition too

I mean Neelothpalamba - which is in Naririthigowla

balusatya · Post by **balusatya** » 06 May 2008, 16:16

ramakriya wrote:Yes; You can find RKS singing it in the lec-dem on rItigouLa in the following link.

http://www.sangeethapriya.org/Downloads ... index.html

BMK's pAThAntara, is almost the same as Sri R K Srikanthan's. It is available in several commercial recordings - and may be available on line. I have not checked.

-Ramakriya

It is in Kannada!

balusatya · Post by **balusatya** » 06 May 2008, 16:59

Suji Ram wrote:
ramakriya wrote:BMK's SrI nIlOtpala nAyikE is supposed to be here, but I am getting a file-not-found error

http://www.sangeethamshare.org/sunil/gu ... M--BMK.mp3

-Ramakriya
try this link. It worked for me
http://sangeethamshare.org/sunil/gurugu ... M--BMK.mp3

My preconceived idea BMK can not sing MD kritis as much as he could do for Thyagaraja &others has been changed after listening to this link.Thanks.

ramakriya · Post by **ramakriya** » 06 May 2008, 20:58

shripathi_g wrote:http://sangeethamshare.org/sripathy/Aud ... igowla.mp3

Thanks Sripathi & Suji Ram

BMK's voice is in much better form than in his commercially available recordings of this kriti!

-Ramakriya

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 06 May 2008, 21:48

BMK sings this kriti with such ease that it seems so simple.
I tried(struggling) playing the pallavi and I feel that there are some intricately woven swaras which exist in other renditions I heard. MD kritis have that beauty.