VijaySiva@NalinakAnthi on Dec 06th,2009

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VijaySiva@NalinakAnthi on Dec 06th,2009
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Vocal : N. Vijaysiva
Violin : Amritha murali
Mridangam : Manoj Shiva
Tambura : Harish (disciple of vijaysiva)

This concert was held in MGR Janaki College at RA Puram, thanks to this sabha nalinakAnthi

1. chalamela "varnam" - shankarabharanam - ST or vadivelu??
2. entani nE varNintunu shabarI (N,S)- mukhAri - T
5 mins neraval in "kanulAra sEvinci kammani phalamula nosagi"
4 mins swaram
3. Emi dOva balkumA(R) -sArangA- T
5 mins alApanai and 3 mins violin return

4. ninnu vina mari galada(ragasketch, S) - reetigowlai - SS
5 minas swaram
5. shrI vEnkaTa girISham (R, N) - shuruTTi - MD
7 mins alApanai and 4 mins violin return
neraval in "alamElu mangA samEtam" for 6 mins
6. inimEl Ayinum - darbAr - rAmasvAmi sivan

7A.shivam harim sAmbam bhaja manasA sadA(R N S T) - kAmbOdhi - HMB
14 mins alApanai , 7 mins violin return
neraval in "mrdamada tilakam mEcakAngam" for 6 mins
swaras for 7 mins
7B.tani for 12 mins

8. paNi mathi mukhi bAlE "malayalam padam" - Ahiri - ST
9A. viruththam "pAl ninaindooTTum tAyinum cAlapparindu" - nAdanAmakriyA ?? + yamunakalyani - mAnickavAsagar
9B. mAdar pirai kaNi yAnai - shenjuruTTi- thirunavukkuarasar???

10. hari vasanada upa vAsaga bhAgyavu ??? - sindhubhairavi - PD
11. thirruppugazh illakkiya illakkana....perumAlE - Bonkers??? - AGN
12. pavamAna

This concert was for 2 hours and 15 minutes. Vijay started beautifully with the sedate shankarabharanam varnam and achieved very early excellence with the entani in mukhAri . The contemplative mood of vijay with the usually contemplative mukhari just suits beautifully, especially the neraval line "kanulAra sEvinchi", that line oozes with so much bhAvam from the days of musiri , without knowing a single word of telugu , I just assume that the meaning of that line is "Do I have anything to lose in life when I have mukhAri rAga to sing" ;)

sArangA alApanai had too much of attachment with his sister kalyAni in the alApanai, the brotherly assert of sAranga was a bit mashed up with sisterly tenderness , the violinist brought it exactly back to sAranga , a rare T krithi with few strokes of rhythmic lines at the end was an eye opener of thyagarAja
Vijay's repertoire is always incredible he gave a quick trinity tour with shyamA sAstri in reetigowlai with a touch of very apt swaras , he continued with MD's shuruTTI with a fairly long alApanai, neraval was quite well done.

Vijay has a voice that at times is too thin and incidentally the darbAr that usually needs a weighty voice did not come too well , to an extent this darbAr was the only dip in the concert

KAmbOdhi alApanai was more centered on the lower and middle octaves for most of the time , he sang a splendid alApana building beautifully stage by stage and it was the best alApana of the day. A rare HMB krithi followed with a neraval that was bit cut short but nevertheless was very good . Swaras in kAmbOdhi did not have the usual KAmbodhi thrust , his swaras were more centered on the lower and middle register, in alApanai he touched few mEl kAlam points but in swaras it was not too noticable that he had cut short.

All the tukkadas were minimally excellent , vijay is one of the best musicians to cover many languages all with ease , it had a contemplative Ahiri padam in malayalam, the viruththam was outstanding expecially the yamunAkalyAni segment, sindhubhairavi krithi of PD was excellent too.The last thirruppugazh was a dhristi of the concert , the raga name was bonkers ;) and had a perumAle at the end (may be it was madhyamavati or a shuruTTi), the concert ended with a long round of well deserved applause

Amritha played beautifully , her sense of proportion was immaculate and her shruthi sowkyam blended with vijay who had it in plenty. manOj shiva played very well throughout and was little more aggressive than his last few concerts of mine which was very good. Tani was good.

Shortcomings:
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Little more swara prasthanam magic and he can cut little loose in neraval too, he can sing few more mel kalAM sangathis in neraval and swaras

The concert started at 06:30 pm and he could have gone for another 15 to 20 minutes atleast,I did not expect a rtp here in this small sabha but musicians can surprise me and sing that too if they want ;)

Overall an excellent concert of vijaysiva and team, his USP of sequencing different rAgas in different languages was always there,to me personally he is my no #2 for the last 5 years of present generation of artists and he was right there.
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Just forgot to mention:
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Before vijaysiva's concert ,I also attended the last half an hour concert of Prasanna venkatesh(not to be confused with prasanna venkataraman from bombay ), whose grand uncle is NC Krishnamacharyulu who is a vaggeyakkara based out of vizag or vijayawada . This young lad sang very well, I only heard a neraval and swaras of a poorvikalyani as the main. Then a beautiful thillana "dheem dheem udana .... mani konjUm mathiyum mudhuvanti rAgamum", was superb , the rAga being madhuvanti has to be always lovely, this young prasanna venkatesh told me that it is his own composition.Is that not lovely a thillAna in madhuvanti as always the creative urge of young musicians is part of the season.
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9A- 'pAl ninaindooTTum tAyinum cAlapparindu'-more caring than even the mother who feeds the child sensing when it is hungry.

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Punarvasu wrote:9A- 'pAl ninaindooTTum tAyinum cAlapparindu'-more caring than even the mother who feeds the child sensing when it is hungry.
Punarvasu or anyone else,
Is the viruththam verse from thirrunavukarasar, the lines ended with siva perumAnE too?
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shivam harim sAmbam bhaja manasA sadA...... any commercial recording of this song by oneone available?

is this a sanskrit song?

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Post by Prasanna Venkatesh »

Dear Sri Rajeshnat,
Thanks for your comments on the Thillana. Sri N.Ch. Krishnamacharyulu is my grand guru and uncle of my guru Sri. T. V. Ramanujacharyulu.
Prasanna

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Rajesh- "Paal Ninaindhu" is Tiruvasagam of Manicka vasagar. It is one of the "Piditha Pattu" (likable Ten) of MV.

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rajeshnat wrote....'Overall an excellent concert of vijaysiva and team, his USP of sequencing different rAgas in different languages was always there,to me personally he is my no #2 for the last 5 years of present generation of artists and he was right there.'

Curious to know your # 1 artist?

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To say or not to say, that's the question, a tough one, but then, Rajesh is known for calling a spade a spade :)

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Post by ganeshkant »

Rajesh,

A good review.I was present from start till tani.

Somehow I can't agree that Darbar can be justified only by a heavy voice.What about female musicians singing Darbar then?

His Darbar came out well IMHO.

AM's bowing has an added sweetness with beautiful modulation.How good it is to see people maturing with betterments!

Manoj was good too.

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Mukhari was good to very good. I also thought the saaranga was fair to good.

Vijaysiva took a while to get surutti just after reetigowlai, both ragas have a similar but slightly different kinds of emphasis in the nishadam, and he simply seemed to get stuck on it. He even employed larger oscillation on the nishada and stopped there a time or two. Again, kambhodi, while it had its share of thrillingly beautiful phrases, it seemed at some places that he decided the classical phrase which would naturally follow what he'd just sung was an "old ploy in the book", and tried to come up with something new in lieu of them. The makeshift replacements weren't always good, though some were nice.

Amritha echoed Vijay Siva's style of singing swarams very well. Her surutti was more like surutti (throughout I mean: Vijay's surutti also had its brilliant moments), and her kambhodi, which again had some amount of avoiding old ploys in the book, was still better to hear.

Maybe it was not a good idea to line up reetigowlai, surutti, darbar and kambhoji together. Sandwiching the mukhari and the saranga somewhere in between, and perhaps some shuddha-rishabha or shuddha-dhaivata or kakali-nishada raga in between would've lent more variety, and prevented them from getting mixed up.
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Prasanna Venkatesh wrote:Dear Sri Rajeshnat,
Thanks for your comments on the Thillana. Sri N.Ch. Krishnamacharyulu is my grand guru and uncle of my guru Sri. T. V. Ramanujacharyulu.
Prasanna
prasanna warm welcome , keep going with your great music. From the day I heard kandanAl mudhAlai from the genius Tjr S.Kalyanaraman , this madhuvanti is haunting and if i am right this thillana of yours is the first one in madhuvanti. Keep up your creative spirit, cm always needs that.

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Purist wrote:rajeshnat wrote....'Overall an excellent concert of vijaysiva and team, his USP of sequencing different rAgas in different languages was always there,to me personally he is my no #2 for the last 5 years of present generation of artists and he was right there.'

Curious to know your # 1 artist?
Purist , my #1 is suryaprakAsh.

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ganeshkant wrote:Rajesh,

Somehow I can't agree that Darbar can be justified only by a heavy voice.What about female musicians singing Darbar then?
Lot of female musicians like MLV have more heavier voices than many of the males , I am sure you have heard RK Shrikantan or maharajapuram santhanam singing darbAr, perhaps with that as a frame of reference I made this comment of darbAr.

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srikant1987 wrote:Mukhari was good to very good. I also thought the saaranga was fair to good.

Vijaysiva took a while to get surutti just after reetigowlai, both ragas have a similar but slightly different kinds of emphasis in the nishadam, and he simply seemed to get stuck on it. He even employed larger oscillation on the nishada and stopped there a time or two. Again, kambhodi, while it had its share of thrillingly beautiful phrases, it seemed at some places that he decided the classical phrase which would naturally follow what he'd just sung was an "old ploy in the book", and tried to come up with something new in lieu of them. The makeshift replacements weren't always good, though some were nice.
Good point srikant1987, to an extent I noticed the overlap in shuruti and reetigowlai . With respect to KAmbOdhi I think his alApana was in line with the krithi , kind of not an overly expressive kAmbodhi like say mA jAnaki .

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*Came to listen from Surati onwards.
*Lot of rare kritis I have not heard before..HMB-Sankarabharanam.
*Purandaradasar.
*Acoustics is better than before.But not very good I think.
* Divine &enjoyable concert. Surati&Sankarabharanam were the best ones.
*Amrita was really graceful- She could fill up the gap very well when Vijaya Siva gave pause between sahityas ( rare ones) as if she is familiar with those kritis.
* I do not think I have observed anything wanting in him on technicalities &formatting .
*The organisers distributed a book in Tamil on Thiagaraja.

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This will definitely be one of the best concerts of the season. Vijay Siva is among the few who can deliver a great performance any day at any location.

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I almost agree with sureshvv, but this was one rare occasion where I wasn't happy with Vijay Siva's performance. :)

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Prasanna....as Rajesh has written, best wishes and keep up the good work. Please do remind me to your guru garu Sri Ramanujacharyalu.

cheers

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Rajesh - Thanks for your wishes. I think Lalgudi Sir has already composed a Thillana in Madhuvanti. I am not very sure about it though.

Sam, Sure, I'll remind my guru garu about you.

Thanks for all your wishes. My next concert is on Dec 15th @ Meenakshi college, from 2:30 - 4:30 PM. If you are free, please do attend and pass on your feedback.

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Prasanna Venkatesh wrote:Rajesh - Thanks for your wishes. I think Lalgudi Sir has already composed a Thillana in Madhuvanti. I am not very sure about it though.
You are right, forgot that Lalgudi Sir's Thillana in praise of Lord krishna I think.

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srikant1987 wrote:I almost agree with sureshvv, but this was one rare occasion where I wasn't happy with Vijay Siva's performance. :)
Come again? Three elaborate neravals in Mukhari, Surutti (Alamelu manga sametham anathapadmanabham adheetham. Noticed one gentleman almost got up and started doing the Aarathi for Lord Venkateswara in the audience during this neraval :) ) and Kambodhi (Mrugamadha tilakam Mechakaangam) covering all three sthayis. Guess some people can never be happy :)
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I think 9B was kurinji. There was another madhyama sruthi raga in the beginning in 9A.

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rajeshnat wrote:
Vijay has a voice that at times is too thin and incidentally the darbAr that usually needs a weighty voice did not come too well , to an extent this darbAr was the only dip in the concert
Different strokes... To me this kriti was one of the high-points. It demonstrated how every kriti in a raga does not have to be cover the entire spectrum of sancharas in it. A certain kriti can highlight a particular facet of a raga and leave certain other aspects unexplored. When artistes are able to bring out this aspect without falling prey to "whole nine yards" treatment, it adds immeasurable beauty to both the raga and the kriti.

When Vijay sings Ga Ga we all go gaa gaa :)
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Guess some people can never be happy.
May be some others are never happy, but I'm usually much happier with Vijay Siva's performances than in this particular concert.
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sureshvv wrote:I think 9B was kurinji. There was another madhyama sruthi raga in the beginning in 9A.
9A. viruththam "pAl ninaindooTTum tAyinum cAlapparindu" - nAdanAmakriyA ?? + yamunakalyani - mAnickavAsagar
9B. mAdar pirai kaNi yAnai - shenjuruTTi- thirunavukkuarasar???

I was thinking 9B either it was navarOz or shenjuruTTi , now you say kurinji , with madhyama shruthi googly i am not sure what that rAga is ???
9A . may be before or after nAdanAmakriyA there was some rAga, was there a nAdanAmakriya ?
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Well, navaroj sounds like very like kurinji (senjurutti is a little different) -- but navaroj is supposed to be sung in samashruti according to SSP, and I suppose Vijay Siva will also be doing that.

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rajeshnat wrote:
Prasanna Venkatesh wrote:Dear Sri Rajeshnat,
Thanks for your comments on the Thillana. Sri N.Ch. Krishnamacharyulu is my grand guru and uncle of my guru Sri. T. V. Ramanujacharyulu.
Prasanna
prasanna warm welcome , keep going with your great music. From the day I heard kandanAl mudhAlai from the genius Tjr S.Kalyanaraman , this madhuvanti is haunting and if i am right this thillana of yours is the first one in madhuvanti. Keep up your creative spirit, cm always needs that.
Ditto with me after listening TSK. Trying to find the lyrics (Kanda Nal) ...welcome any information on that.

Thanks for the post on # 1. I haven't heard Suryaprakash and will take the earliest oppurtunity.

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Lyrics for kandanAl mudalAi
http://www.karnatik.com/c1437.shtml

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Thanks many Prasanna.

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To be fair to Vijay Siva I think details of Prasanna should be moved to a seperate thread.

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srikant1987 wrote:Well, navaroj sounds like very like kurinji (senjurutti is a little different) -- but navaroj is supposed to be sung in samashruti according to SSP, and I suppose Vijay Siva will also be doing that.
according to SSP, kuranji is supposed to be sung in samasruthi.. not navarOj.


and i was there at this concert till the main. Though i did i like it, it wasnt as good as a normal vijay siva concert, or so i felt. The choice of songs or ragams was very good, but i felt that a better main could have been chosen.

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rbharath,

What do u mean by better main ?

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ganeshkant wrote:rbharath,

What do u mean by better main ?
i dint like the song. i felt it did not stand to the buildup created by the pre-main songs..

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