Chingleput Ranganathan @ Naada Inbam 10th Dec 2009.

jagan · Post by **jagan** » 12 Dec 2009, 08:49

I know that I am pre empting Bharat who was at the concert and would be definitely making a posting in great detail.

It was music of great beauty all the way. And paeans of praise are but a candle to the full moon.

One could not but recall the famous saying of the great Vidwan Maharajapuram Viswanatha Iyer
"Sarreramada Padarathu, Gnaanamda"

The leisurely and savoured rendering of the ragas and kritis : Andolika (Raga sudha rasa), Mukhari (Muribemu) swayed the listeners (alas only around 40) like the Sarpam before the Magudi.

The neraval at "Malayamaruthamuche " conjured visions of the gentle wind, the flowing river and the veda ghosha wafting down in the gentle breeze. Need one say more about the power of Music.

And Music like this could not but inspire the excellent accompanists :-Ramanujacharlu , Arunprakash and Guruprasad.

Music to cherish.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 12 Dec 2009, 10:53

Very well said, Jagan.
For those who do not get Maharajapuram V's quote: is it merely the voice which sings? No, it is gnAnam (knowledge, experience).

jagan · Post by **jagan** » 14 Dec 2009, 08:31

Arasi,

Would not Wisdom be more appropriate?

srikant1987 · Post by **srikant1987** » 14 Dec 2009, 12:01

Wouldn't aRivu or sAmarthiyam be a more appropriate translation for wisdom?

bilahari · Post by **bilahari** » 14 Dec 2009, 12:08

Or mudhirchi perhaps?

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 15 Dec 2009, 01:03

If knowledge is a simple collection of facts, wisdom is the contextual application of those facts. That is gained through experience, reflection, reasoning and connecting existing facts to new derived facts. So wise knowledge is wisdom. That is one view, more or less rational and scientific. This is the same difference that exists between data and information.

But people associate some non-scientific meanings to both wisdom and gyanam ( or gnAnam ) that it comes from depths of our brain that are not easily accessible to conscious thought and action. The same way creativity is hard to explain, gyanam is hard to explain and the methods of acquiring it is believed to be not so straightforward.

Especially some types of gyanam, some people believe, come either genetically or through the grace of some almighty. In that sense, if you possess this gynanam, music comes to you easily and naturally. In other words, you do not have sweat to make great music.

In such contexts, gathering of knowledge is considered to be in everyone's grasp, the amount of time and effort one has to put in may vary. Whereas gyanam seems to be considered a tricky thing to acquire in spite of any amount of hard work and dedication since it is mixed up with genetics and grace of God.

Sundara Rajan · Post by **Sundara Rajan** » 15 Dec 2009, 04:22

The word "gnAnam" is derived from the root 'GnA/JhA" = to know. Hence "knowledge" is the correct translation.

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 15 Dec 2009, 05:33

vasanthakokilam wrote:If knowledge is a simple collection of facts, wisdom is the contextual application of those facts. That is gained through experience, reflection, reasoning and connecting existing facts to new derived facts. So wise knowledge is wisdom. That is one view, more or less rational and scientific. This is the same difference that exists between data and information.

But people associate some non-scientific meanings to both wisdom and gyanam ( or gnAnam ) that it comes from depths of our brain that are not easily accessible to conscious thought and action. The same way creativity is hard to explain, gyanam is hard to explain and the methods of acquiring it is believed to be not so straightforward.

In this context, I am reminded of Sri Rajaji's introduction of bhaja gOvindam (by Smt. MSS), where he says that when knowledge matures and lodges securely in the minds of people, it becomes wisdom, and when such wisdom issues forth in action, it becomes devotion. If knowledge is not transformed into devotion, such knowledge is useless to itself!

vanajan · Post by **vanajan** » 15 Dec 2009, 07:33

vasanthakokilam wrote:
But people associate some non-scientific meanings to both wisdom and gyanam ( or gnAnam ) that it comes from depths of our brain that are not easily accessible to conscious thought and action. The same way creativity is hard to explain, gyanam is hard to explain and the methods of acquiring it is believed to be not so straightforward.

Especially some types of gyanam, some people believe, come either genetically or through the grace of some almighty. In that sense, if you possess this gynanam, music comes to you easily and naturally. In other words, you do not have sweat to make great music.

In such contexts, gathering of knowledge is considered to be in everyone's grasp, the amount of time and effort one has to put in may vary. Whereas gyanam seems to be considered a tricky thing to acquire in spite of any amount of hard work and dedication since it is mixed up with genetics and grace of God.

AFAIK, gyanam is intuitive grasp and abstract/intuitive understanding of the subject whether in math/physics or in music. Its goes way beyond what one has "learnt". It can't be explained precisely because intuition has not been "understood" by human mind.

Vanaja.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 15 Dec 2009, 07:42

A lot of 'learning' this morning. In this particular instance when we are speaking about music, gnaanam is knowledge (both intuitive and acquired plus experience, I would think. Wisdom is something else, at least in this particular instance??

rbharath · Post by **rbharath** » 17 Dec 2009, 13:58

Chingleput Ranganathan - TKV Ramanujacharlu - K Arun Prakash - N Guruprasad

Nada Inbam
11 Dec 09. 6:15 pm

jagadAnandakArakA - nATTai - Adi - T (short sketch)
paluku kaNTa - navarasa kAnaDA - Adi - T
eTulabrOtuvO - charkavAkam - misra cApu - T (S)
rAga sudhA rasa - AndhOLikA - catusra Ekam (2) - T (RS)
muripEmu galigE - mukhAri - Adi - T (RNS)
tani
kalinarulaku - kuntaLa varALi - dEsAdi - T (R)
paniyin vintuLi - harikAmbhOji - kaNDa jAti dhurva tALam - Thiruppugazh
tillAnA - hamsAnandi - dEsAdi
nI nAma rUpamulaku - saurAshTram - Adi - T
sriyatkAntAya - madhyamAvati

rbharath · Post by **rbharath** » 17 Dec 2009, 13:59

wonderful concert it was.. enjoyed it thoroughly