T M Krishna at Sree Ramaseva Mandali, Fort High School

vanamali · Post by **vanamali** » 24 Apr 2010, 23:28

Vocal - Sri T M Krishna
Violin - Sri H N Bhaskar
Mridangam - Sri Arun Prakash
Khanjira - Sri B S Purushotham
Tambura - Sri G Ravikiran

01 tuLasI daLamulacE - maayamaaLava gowLa - roopakam - thyagaraja (neraval at sarasIruha punnAga)
02 Ela nI dayarAdu - aTaaNa - aadi - thyagaraja - r (short ragam)
03 nagna vibhina nagna gagana - kalyaani - pu ti narasimhachar r, n, s
04 Orajupu chuchEDi nyaayamaa - kannaDagowLa - aadi - thyagaraaja
05 sri subramaNyaya namaste - kAmbhoji - rUpakam - dikshithar - r, n, t (no swaram). neraval at vAsavAdi sakaladEva vanditAya varENya
06 ragam thanam pallavi - rItigowLa - khanda jaati triputa talam (pallavi: dasharatha paala ramachandraya dayanidhe mampahi) ghana ragamalika thanam and ragamalika in hameer kalyani
07 jAnarO - khamAs - tisra Ekam
08 broohi mukundhEthi - kurinji - aadi - Sadaashiva BruhmEndrar
09 sri rAmachandra krupALu bhajamana - yaman kalyani - tulasidas
10 jana gana mana - National Anthem

Wonderful concert, absolutely satisfying.

TMK started off the concert by singing the anupallavi line of tulasi dalamulache (palumAru cirakAlamu paramAtmunipAdamulanu). This kriti was rendered very briskly giving the feel of a varnam at the beginning of the concert.
Next was a brief sketch of atana ragam followed by ela Ni dayaradu. Again here he started this kriti by singing the anupallavi bAla kanakamaya. The next was a kriti in kannada written by Sri pu ti narasimhachar. This was followed by a quick orajupu in kannada gowla.
The next was the main item, the kamboji masterpiece of dikshithar. The raga alapala was excellent. He however did not sing swarams after the neraval. This was followed by thani.
Then he took up the RTP in reetigowla. The ragam was short, for the thanam he started off with reetigowla and then went on to sing thanam in the ghana ragams briefly and then came back to reetigowla. Then he took up each ghana ragam for detailed thanam and returned to reetigowla after each ghanaraga thanam. Then was the pallavi for which he sang in reetigowla and then also sang in Hamir kalyani. There were no other ragams in the ragamalika apart from hamir kalyani. This was followed by a short thani.
Then came the tukkadas. He ended by asking the audience to stand up and sang the national anthem.
The concert went on for a full 3 hours (6:45 to 9:45) without any break in between for speeches etc. He asked the organisers to talk after the concert.

Sri H N Bhaskar supported excellently on the violin. Sri Arun Prakash and BS Purushotham also were good in the percussion section.

Overall a very satisfying concert.

badari · Post by **badari** » 25 Apr 2010, 06:39

02- it was balakanakamaya chela
06 Ragamalika was in Behag
08 Bruhi mukundeti rasane--janjhooti--Adi--Sadashiva Brahmendra

badari · Post by **badari** » 25 Apr 2010, 07:31

07 Chanaro...

One more observation was that TMK did not agree to speak in the Pratibhakankashi puraskara program and cut short the whole program to 15 min to accomodate more singing. organisers of late have reduced speeches. Even the Guests on the dias did not speak more than 10 sentences !!!

Even inspite of heavy rain 1 hour before the concert, the hall was jam packed.

vanamali · Post by **vanamali** » 25 Apr 2010, 09:39

badari wrote:02- it was balakanakamaya chela

the pallavi starts with ela nee dayaraadu, as i mentioned. bala kanakamaya is in the anupallavi

svkashyap · Post by **svkashyap** » 25 Apr 2010, 12:08

Check out http://saattvika.blogspot.com/2010/04/t ... dhini.html

gardabha_gana · Post by **gardabha_gana** » 25 Apr 2010, 14:11

I am *not* an expert. I enjoyed the medley of songs very much. His range of voice is something superb. His tanam was exquisite. But - I wish he starts with a Varnam or equivalent - not with Tulasi dala w/ a short nervaval to begin with. The last concert I attended - he started with Bhakthi Biksha. Well - there are no rules, but I prefer the traditional format as practiced which most musicians adhere to to make it a complete concert. In fact Sanjay and Vijaya Siva gave superb concerts at FHS with the traditional format. TMK's concert at SIFA 25 (San Jose,CA) did follow the traditional format and is one of the best I have attended of his. Also his vilamba kala krithis are rendered in athi-athi vilamba kala and with my limited knowledge cannot appreciate them beyond a point. Last year his sada jaleswaram(bhoopalam) at seshadripuram was very very slow. I am not questioning how scholarly he is or such - in fact it is more a reflection that I have miles to go.....

kunthalavarali · Post by **kunthalavarali** » 25 Apr 2010, 18:25

"He ended by asking the audience to stand up and sang the national anthem.".
Did the artistes on the dais remain standing when the national anthem was sung as they should have. It must have been tough on KAP!
Hope the audience also participated in the singing.

vanamali · Post by **vanamali** » 26 Apr 2010, 09:07

kunthalavarali wrote:"He ended by asking the audience to stand up and sang the national anthem.".
Did the artistes on the dais remain standing when the national anthem was sung as they should have. It must have been tough on KAP!
Hope the audience also participated in the singing.

No the artistes were sitting as usual and performing. They didnt stand up.

Another mention is TMK took objection to the organisers repeated mention that the "violinist is our own, from karnataka, moved to chennai and made a mark etc etc".. TMK intervened during the speech and said that there is no tamilnadu or karnataka for music, we are all Indians.. The organiser tried to save his face by saying the artistes were not even indian but they were all international artistes.. but TMK was not satisfied with that reply.

kssr · Post by **kssr** » 26 Apr 2010, 11:44

vanamali wrote: Another mention is TMK took objection to the organisers repeated mention that the "violinist is our own, from karnataka, moved to chennai and made a mark etc etc".. TMK intervened during the speech and said that there is no tamilnadu or karnataka for music, we are all Indians.. The organiser tried to save his face by saying the artistes were not even indian but they were all international artistes.. but TMK was not satisfied with that reply.

It has become quite common nowadays for popular artists to pass subtle (and sometimes not so subtle) insults on the organisers, pass comments as if they are some unwanted encrumbrance to the proceedings. It is unfortunate. It would be nice if there is mutual respect among artists, organisers and the audience. Most organisers are high achievers in their own fields and they work extremely hard without any monetary benefit to arrange concerts, just for the love of music. This must at least be understood if not appreciated.

There is also the Radel tambura advertisement where the organiser is shown as an incompetent baffoon reprimanded by the artist for not providing him a Radel.

Probably an NRI organiser arranging a concert in the US may be treated differently.

Mahathma · Post by **Mahathma** » 26 Apr 2010, 15:31

i completely endorse whatever TMK said about the Karnataka Chennai thing. why these unwanted separationist attitude. we are all Indians first. and where does this subject crop up at all in Carnatic music, i dont understand. all that matters is how well one performs and not where he hails from. I am glad TMK made his point. In this occassion i will definitly support his stand. Jai Hind.

shankarabharanam · Post by **shankarabharanam** » 26 Apr 2010, 19:30

There is nothing wrong with the organiser mentioning that the artist is from a particular state. Given the fact that he is from Karnataka it is bound to happen that they would mention it. If TMK has objection to this then he should also raise voices against musicians who prefix their name with their native. For instance Bombay Jayashree or Semmangudi or GNB where G stands for Gudalur. To me his comment was too rude.

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Most of the sabhas associate the musician from where they come. For instance I remember Prasanna Venkatraman performing at Bharatiya Fine Arts, couple of years ago and the president said, the audience here will be happy to see a young lad from Mumbai raising to these standards. Not just music, but personalities in every field is associated to his city. Someone needs to point these issues to TMK.

kunthalavarali · Post by **kunthalavarali** » 27 Apr 2010, 04:13

"No the artistes were sitting as usual and performing. They didnt stand up."

It is not a crime singing the National Anthem sitting, it is just considered rude and disrespectful to the Nation. I think it is best not to include it in a CM concert, there are, after all special occasions when it can be sung.

VK RAMAN · Post by **VK RAMAN** » 27 Apr 2010, 05:05

Here is an interesting website on national anthem:
http://www.nationalanthems.info/

mohan · Post by **mohan** » 27 Apr 2010, 08:43

Was the national anthem sung in response to the organiser's remark about the violinist from Karnataka?

I agree the singing of the anthem during a carnatic (karnataka) music concert does seem a little strange especially when it is not January 26 or August 15.

sureshvv · Post by **sureshvv** » 27 Apr 2010, 09:32

shankarabharanam wrote:There is nothing wrong with the organiser mentioning that the artist is from a particular state. Given the fact that he is from Karnataka it is bound to happen that they would mention it. If TMK has objection to this then he should also raise voices against musicians who prefix their name with their native. For instance Bombay Jayashree or Semmangudi or GNB where G stands for Gudalur. To me his comment was too rude. .

Most of the sabhas associate the musician from where they come. For instance I remember Prasanna Venkatraman performing at Bharatiya Fine Arts, couple of years ago and the president said, the audience here will be happy to see a young lad from Mumbai raising to these standards. Not just music, but personalities in every field is associated to his city. Someone needs to point these issues to TMK.

I am sure TMK is well aware of it. What he is even more aware of is how this provincialism is a curse on the art itself. Having a bias for or against an artiste based on the place where they hail from has a dark history in Carnatic music (may be even in our broader "culture") and more power to TMK to try to eliminate this scourge. By the way, the organizer was not castigated for merely mentioning the state where the artiste hailed from; rather for fostering the needless repeated "us" vs. "them" attitude. I agree that the comment may have appeared rude and put off some people in the audience but sometimes it takes courage to take a stand.

Mahathma · Post by **Mahathma** » 27 Apr 2010, 17:37

i second you Suresh...it is one thing to take pride about a lad from one's own city and another to talk like Bal Thackrey. Most of the times TMK talks nonsense, but this time i do support him.

shankarabharanam · Post by **shankarabharanam** » 27 Apr 2010, 18:32

Mahathma wrote:i second you Suresh...it is one thing to take pride about a lad from one's own city and another to talk like Bal Thackrey. Most of the times TMK talks nonsense, but this time i do support him.

One doesn't need courage to talk rude.. It is in their nature. By the way, I am aware of the divide Suresh has mentioned. But, why insult the organiser who has given an opportunity to the artist to showcase his talent. You might be a well-known artist but that doesn't give you the right to talk what ever you want. And if the organiser wanted to create the rift, then I am sure he wouldn't have invited TMK himself who is from Chennai.

srikant1987 · Post by **srikant1987** » 27 Apr 2010, 20:05

Not knowing exactly what the organizer said, I am not sure, but think it would have been unnecessary to interrupt them. This is a very touchy subject, and unless expressly asked for (and perhaps even then!), giving one's opinion would be unwise.

The National Anthem would, indeed, be odd in a Carnatic music concert not held on a day of national importance, but singing that to vent out his objection, if he held any, to the organizer's speech, would've been a good idea. However, my opinion is that the artists should've stood up during the Anthem too: the mikes and the instruments too could be abandoned if they had to be.

semmu86 · Post by **semmu86** » 27 Apr 2010, 20:08

I think the OP has said that the concert was not interrupted at all and that the speeches were made only after the concert concluded.

kssr · Post by **kssr** » 27 Apr 2010, 20:36

Sometime back, in a TV interview Sri.TVS was asked by the interviewer, what his guru Sri.MMI taught him besides music. After a moment's pause "Humility" declared TVS with great intensity. Also, said that MMI used to tell him that he should respect the organisers "for giving him a stage" and he should also respect the audience, as there could be many there who are more knowledgeable than him. Great human beings with or even without their music.

This is the culture and music tradition that we have inherited. "Endaro Mahanubhavulu Andariki vandanamu". But knowing these songs by heart is one thing but following these ideals is entirely different. How many can claim to have "Karpavai Katrapin NIRKA atharkku thaha"- Tirukkural 391 (Learn the correct things and lead life accordingly)

sureshvv · Post by **sureshvv** » 27 Apr 2010, 22:16

shankarabharanam wrote: One doesn't need courage to talk rude.. It is in their nature. By the way, I am aware of the divide Suresh has mentioned. But, why insult the organiser who has given an opportunity to the artist to showcase his talent. You might be a well-known artist but that doesn't give you the right to talk what ever you want. And if the organiser wanted to create the rift, then I am sure he wouldn't have invited TMK himself who is from Chennai.

Seems to me you are missing the substance of what was said and just focusing on the style. My hope is that the organizer will refrain from such unconscious but wanton parochialism in the future and invite TMK even more often.

prasanna · Post by **prasanna** » 27 Apr 2010, 22:29

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rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 27 Apr 2010, 22:57

Actually all forms of parochialism aside, I was very curious to know the reason to end the concert with the National Antham. Is anyone privy to the rationale? A small part of me wonders if this was warranted or was this a 'stunt' like the more egregious ones pulled by the Material Girl and, more recently, by Erykah Badu!

gardabha_gana · Post by **gardabha_gana** » 27 Apr 2010, 23:16

Folks - we need to cool down. I did attend the concert - and I as a Bangalorean don't find anything wrong if we refer to musicians from the state with pride. It is a problem only if we demean artistes from other states or indicate that they are less worthy or such. In fact the vote of thanks person (don't know his name) who speaks excellent kannada has showered encomiums on all the visiting artistes. For example - he called Vid. KSG as "Rasa Rishi". Similary - I remember our School applauding Kirmani and Binny after the one day triumph as "our school boys" - or even folks in Malleswaram cheering Prakash Padukone as "Malleswaram Boy" after winning the all england title.

Re: Jana gana Mana - well full marks to TMK on this - it is a nice way to end. It would be even better had he sung Pavamana before the anthem

mahesh3 · Post by **mahesh3** » 27 Apr 2010, 23:25

Yea, I find this to be a silly discussion, about a non-issue! Any discussion on parochialism from some of the members on this thread, seems a bit rich. Especially knowing how parochial the Chennai circuit really is......

sureshvv · Post by **sureshvv** » 28 Apr 2010, 12:43

mahesh3 wrote:Yea, I find this to be a silly discussion, about a non-issue! Any discussion on parochialism from some of the members on this thread, seems a bit rich. Especially knowing how parochial the Chennai circuit really is......

Yep. It takes guts to call it when you see it.
[update]And may I add, cowardice to paint a whole city with a broad indiscriminate brush![/update]

vanamali · Post by **vanamali** » 28 Apr 2010, 15:05

semmu86 wrote:I think the OP has said that the concert was not interrupted at all and that the speeches were made only after the concert concluded.

yes the concert was not interrupted. The speeches happened only after the concert ended, i.e after the national anthem was sung.

Mahathma · Post by **Mahathma** » 28 Apr 2010, 15:13

kssr, while i definitely appreciate Madurai Mani Iyer's humility, on the other hand, it becomes necessary for artisted today to maintain a clear line between ego and self respect. Some organisers, behave very bossy and it is necessary that artistes let them know who can dictate terms. similarly i have seen many artistes, who are down to earth, who are completely taken advantage of by the organisers.

A simple example, why would somebody as senior as Flute N Ramani be given a room in an ordinary hotel, and Pandit Chaurasya be given accomodation in a star hotel. I dont want to name the organiser, but such instances only show that Karnatic artistes are definitely taken for granted compared to their Hindusthani counter parts. We all know how Hindusthani musicians behave, am not blaming them but they are very professional.

Sadly, sometimes, this demands being rude. its a give and take. so let the organisers behave themselves in the first place.

Please, this is not a generalised sentiment, I am definitely talking about those organisers who make a big show of themselves and try to gain all attention etc etc.

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kssr · Post by **kssr** » 28 Apr 2010, 15:39

Mahathma wrote:kssr, while i definitely appreciate Madurai Mani Iyer's humility, on the other hand, it becomes necessary for artisted today to maintain a clear line between ego and self respect. Some organisers, behave very bossy and it is necessary that artistes let them know who can dictate terms. similarly i have seen many artistes, who are down to earth, who are completely taken advantage of by the organisers.

A simple example, why would somebody as senior as Flute N Ramani be given a room in an ordinary hotel, and Pandit Chaurasya be given accomodation in a star hotel. I dont want to name the organiser, but such instances only show that Karnatic artistes are definitely taken for granted compared to their Hindusthani counter parts. We all know how Hindusthani musicians behave, am not blaming them but they are very professional.

Sadly, sometimes, this demands being rude. its a give and take. so let the organisers behave themselves in the first place.

Please, this is not a generalised sentiment, I am definitely talking about those organisers who make a big show of themselves and try to gain all attention etc etc.

Yes. I totally agree. That is the reason I have mentioned right in the beginning that there must be "mutual respect" between artists, organisers and audience. Each one should do his job well and stop there- not step on the other's territory. For eg: I would not endorse an organiser to take the mike in the middle of the concert and say " Hello, Mr. Artist, Your Kamboji alapana is inadequate, please sing some more"!! It should be left to the artist. Same way what the organiser says during his speech should be left to him and he should not be interrupted.

rbharath · Post by **rbharath** » 28 Apr 2010, 16:38

Mahathma wrote: Some organisers, behave very bossy and it is necessary that artistes let them know who can dictate terms. similarly i have seen many artistes, who are down to earth, who are completely taken advantage of by the organisers.

Reminds me of an incident long ago at one of the old sabhas in Madras. The secretary of the sabha, himself being a professional and popular violinist in his own right.

The artist of the day was none less than Smt. Kalpakam Swaminathan. It was about an hour 50 minutes since the concert had begun and she was just about play a phrase in sAvEri, that was to be the main piece of the evening. This secretary walks up and tells her 'innum 2 pattu porum. 10 nimishathula mudichudungo.' Mami then asked the mridangist to play a tani for the previous kriti when the secretary guy went on to say, 'avan tani vaasikkalainna parava illa. neenga oru pattu vaasichu mudichudungo.'

The audience were shocked and clueless of what was happening. Mami played one tukkada and finished the concert, while the secretary did not even stay for that one kriti.

When it comes to the question of ego or self-respect or humility, it should be in the optimum levels. Too much of either can be dangerous.

i dont have opinions on anything else being discussed here.

kunthalavarali · Post by **kunthalavarali** » 28 Apr 2010, 18:56

gardabha_gana wrote: Re: Jana gana Mana - well full marks to TMK on this - it is a nice way to end. It would be even better had he sung Pavamana before the anthem

I am not catagoric about (not) singing of national anthem in a carnatic music concert. It is OK so long as one follows the etiquettes associated with it. There can be no compromise on this of course.
When in the course of a newsreel or documentary the Anthem is played as a part of the film, it is not expected of the audience to stand as standing is bound to interrupt the exhibition of the film and would create disorder and confusion rather than add to the dignity of the Anthem. This applies even more to the CM concert where there is already some amount of disturbance (we see people get up and walk during mangalam). What I want to say is that singing of national anthem is best avoided in a CM concert. Hope TMK's example does not set a trend.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 29 Apr 2010, 01:59

This is a tough one!
Do we have to be so circumspect (from what I gather from the experts in the article) before we sing our national anthem with pride?
Then again, TMK could have chosen among other inspiring songs which also express our national pride.
As for the performers sitting or standing during the anthem: do those orchestra members who play their instruments sitting, get up when they play God save the queen?
I have heard vAzhiya Sendamizh sung in concerts in tamizh nADu and have seen the audience getting up in unison without being asked to in some places. Since the national anthem comes with all the legalities (!) it's better that one does not sing it in a concert, let alone ask the audience to get up! Speaking of vAzhiya Sendamizh, the beauty of it is that after the first line (vAzhiya sendamizh vAzhga naTRamizhar, the line that follows is: vAzhiya bArata maNIt tiru nADu,
vandE mAtaram!
Even pavamAna can get the rap from someone saying that in good old days, they began with prahlAda nAradAdi, and others saying that all verses were sung once!

badari · Post by **badari** » 29 Apr 2010, 05:53

I do not find any objection with TMK singing National Anthem. In theters , before movie, they play NA and we all stand up. As such it is by no means an official government program.

Why not appreciate TMK , in his own right trying to bring a change in the way we show our solidarity with the nation.

semmu86 · Post by **semmu86** » 29 Apr 2010, 06:55

oh another of these stunts ;( i just cannot help wondering how TMK concert review threads here go on and on speaking about his kuttikarnams and baltis than about his actual concert.. One wonders why TMK these days cannot render a normal CM concert sans any gimmicks and circus stunts.. Having said that one cannot command on what the artiste should sing in his/her concert and until there is an audience applauding and giving standing ovation to everything, they will continue to be taken for granted.

ramamantra · Post by **ramamantra** » 29 Apr 2010, 12:47

If TMK's "janaganamana" at the end of the concert starts setting trends, our carnatic musicians will set new trends sharing their beds with jailbirds (according to the article).......

Our thayir saadam musicians would rather play safe than follow such trends.

KSJaishankar · Post by **KSJaishankar** » 29 Apr 2010, 13:48

All:

How many people have seen Rehman's DVD on the national anthem? If you notice, artistes have taken some creative liberties with the rendition, in terms of sangatis and also the speed of the rendition. And most of the people are sitting when they sing it or play it. I believe that was "actively" supported and blessed by the government.

This thread is suffering from what someone already pointed out... a huge overdose of anti-TMKism. Most TMK threads end up discussing things other than the man's music. And honestly, I don't think he himself, or rasikas who like his music (to a lesser extent), really care

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 29 Apr 2010, 19:57

I think singing the national anthem in a carnatic music concert is out of place even if everybody was asked to stand up. The national anthem must be held in high respect and indiscriminate playing/singing of it is to be discouraged. Official functions, school events, sports events and similar events are conducted according to set norms and everybody follows the standard procedure. Playing the national anthem in theaters was imposed but it is in poor taste since most folks either ignore it or act in disrespectful ways. A Carnatic music concert is a cultural/social/entertainment function. If the artistes on the stage sit while singing/playing the national anthem that is a "No, No". Controversy is not new to TMK. This event is one more "feather" (if you want to call it that) in his cap.

VK RAMAN · Post by **VK RAMAN** » 29 Apr 2010, 20:32

let us replace "feather" with "egg" - both happens to be of birds

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 29 Apr 2010, 21:14

Egg usually looks good(!!) on one's face.
Feather in the cap is usually a positive but in this case......................

SKA · Post by **SKA** » 29 Apr 2010, 23:43

We have to accept T M Krishna is great with many renditions but somebody needs to inform him the he need not spoil his wonderful concerts with such silly acrobatics at the end especially those throughly non-carnatic songs that he presents.

sureshvv · Post by **sureshvv** » 30 Apr 2010, 13:12

ramamantra wrote:If TMK's "janaganamana" at the end of the concert starts setting trends, our carnatic musicians will set new trends sharing their beds with jailbirds (according to the article).......

Our thayir saadam musicians would rather play safe than follow such trends.

Don't know what you find laugh worthy about this. Seems to be a sad state of affairs to have such fascist laws even if only in the books and a society fit only for "thayir saadam" human beings.

vinsim · Post by **vinsim** » 01 May 2010, 04:31

I keep hearing more about TMK's antics and gimmicks (of him being rude/outspoken) than his music.

There's a kannada word that springs to mind, - and that is "thala harte". I feel for the organizer who was innocently feeling proud of the local violinist - I don't see anything parochial about that. TMK, he from Chennai, should know that he is living a glass house and should desist from throwing stones at others. Hope he will grow to respect organizers/audiences a little more - especially ones behind the historical FHS Rama Seva mandali.

My sentiments are mixed about the concluding song - the national anthem. Clearly, sounds like a stunt to affirm his "nationalism".

He should take a leaf out of what MMI advised TVS about humility.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 01 May 2010, 06:31

He should take a leaf out of what MMI advised TVS about humility

What was that?

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 01 May 2010, 08:47

CML,
Good that you didn't put it in quotes

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 01 May 2010, 09:53

>>I have heard vAzhiya Sendamizh sung in concerts in tamizh nADu and have seen the audience getting up in unison without being asked to in some places. Since the national anthem comes with all the legalities (!) it's better that one does not sing it in a concert, let alone ask the audience to get up! Speaking of vAzhiya Sendamizh, the beauty of it is that after the first line (vAzhiya sendamizh vAzhga naTRamizhar, the line that follows is: vAzhiya bArata maNIt tiru nADu,
vandE mAtaram!<<

VAzhiya senthamizh is NOT national anthem and not accorded that status either. It is a tribute to Thamizh and the whole country. So the rules for national anthem playing do not apply for that song. Having said that there are so many patriotic songs of Bharathi any one of which is worthy of being adopted as the national anthem, especially when Jana gana mana has some controversial words such as "bhAratha bhAgya vidAta" (George V ??)and the mention of "Sind" but not Kashmir, and the neglect of UP, MP areas of the country in the anthem. In addition its background (as reflected in the succeeding stanzas not sung) is very cloudy since those stanzas mention the king, queen, and throne (of the British).

vasantha · Post by **vasantha** » 02 May 2010, 00:05

[many atimes smt dk.pattammal .dr,rajkumar bharathi have sung vazhiya sendamizh in concerts. patriotic songs are preferred to wards end of the concerts..but national anthem is not National anthem is for national events and not for concerts that too carnatic

sureshvv · Post by **sureshvv** » 02 May 2010, 05:44

vasantha wrote:[many atimes smt dk.pattammal .dr,rajkumar bharathi have sung vazhiya sendamizh in concerts. patriotic songs are preferred to wards end of the concerts..but national anthem is not National anthem is for national events and not for concerts that too carnatic

I think what you are trying to say is that you have heard "vaazhiya" sung many times by .... but never heard the national anthem at a carnatic concert. Somehow, you have mistaken your limited experience to be some kind of unalterable law of nature.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 02 May 2010, 07:35

Mahakavi,
I did not say that vAzhiya Sendamizh was a national anthem. All the same, it pleases me to hear it at the end of a concert. Your (namesake??) and my favorite poet's verses about his tamizh nADu and his country are soul-stirring and no matter how many times we hear it, the song moves us. Most singers don't sing all the beautiful verses (just four lines are sung

). How I wish some performer surprises me by singing a few more lines of the song! Once, I was thrilled to hear verse after verse of bArati's cinnnanjiru kiLiyE in a concert where the singer captured the mood of the poet's mind!

Sam Swaminathan · Post by **Sam Swaminathan** » 02 May 2010, 10:22

To srkris and or moderators

Is it possible to provide the "Go to page 1, 2 Next" on the top of the page as well, as like this particular thread, if you are following it regularly, you know pretty well when you open this page, you need to go the page 2 in order to read the latest reports. If "Go to page 1, 2 Next" appears on the top as well, this could help matters some what....thank you