GLOBAL RASIKAS MEET DURING DECEMBER 2010.

S.NAGESWARAN · Post by **S.NAGESWARAN** » 25 Jul 2010, 02:30

Respected VKV,

I look forward to the meeting of all Rasikas at my home once again chaired by Sri VKV along with Sri Cleveland Sundaram, Arasi and other guests from all over the world.

As usual, tea and lunch will be served.

This time at least, Arasi madam should stay back to have lunch with all of us.

Can I look forword the visit of cmlover in Chennai during the December 2010.

S.NAGESWARAN.
25.07.2010.

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 25 Jul 2010, 03:21

I'm sure many of us will be happy if this is an annual event to look forward to.

cacm · Post by **cacm** » 25 Jul 2010, 09:58

Dear Sri. Nageswaran,
Thanks for taking the initiative. I have a couple of suggestions:
1) We have a specific topic which merits serious Discussion. I propose discussions on the 100th birth centenary celebrations of MMI& PM I which occur in 2012 but this is the time for ACTION. VVS( if he is free) & I can talk about the plans in Cleveland & Chennai in connection with this. I am also willing to talk about my interactions with BOTH.. MKR can also talk on the subject along with those present who can share their views/experiences as well as raise technical issues etc.
2) I will be in Chennai Nov22-March 1st week & we have to co-ordinate the AVAILABILTY at least of those who are likely to have presentations.
Lets all have free for all discussions on the free for all thats likely to take place.......May be you shd. start a NEW thread?VKV

S.NAGESWARAN · Post by **S.NAGESWARAN** » 25 Jul 2010, 11:20

Dear Sri VKV,

As Sugested by you, a new thread has been opened in "General Discussions topic".

S.NAGESWARAN.
25.07.2010.

S.NAGESWARAN · Post by **S.NAGESWARAN** » 25 Jul 2010, 11:26

Dear Rasikas,

As usual, Sri VKV wishes to have a meeting with all Rasikas during December 2010.

I will be happy to be a host and the meeting & can be held at my home, Tea and lunch will be provided by the U/S to all the Rasikas attending the meeting.

The request of Sri VKV provided in the thread is reproduced below for information to all Rasikas.

#53 25 Jul 2010 04:28 Re: TM Krishna uploads free downloadable concert on his webs
Dear Sri. Nageswaran,
Thanks for taking the initiative. I have a couple of suggestions:
1) We have a specific topic which merits serious Discussion. I propose discussions on the 100th birth centenary celebrations of MMI& PM I which occur in 2012 but this is the time for ACTION. VVS (if he is free) & I can talk about the plans in Cleveland & Chennai in connection with this. I am also willing to talk about my interactions with BOTH.. MKR can also talk on the subject along with those present who can share their views/experiences as well as raise technical issues etc.
2) I will be in Chennai Nov22-March 1st week & we have to co-ordinate the AVAILABILTY at least of those who are likely to have presentations.
Lets all have free for all discussions on the free for all thatâ€™s likely to take place.......May be you should Start a NEW thread?VKV

I request all Rasikas may post their views and suggestions in this thread.

S.NAGESWARAN.
25.07.2010.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 25 Jul 2010, 18:49

Many thanks Nageswaran for the kind invitation. Nothing more will thrill me to meet with all our folks and at your residence. But I have to take a rain check this time. I have some severe restrictions from health considerations. But then some time in 2011 is a distinct possibility. I 'll let you know when my plans get finalized. All the best for the December get together of our Rasika membsrship!

kssr · Post by **kssr** » 26 Jul 2010, 10:51

Is the meeting a Cleveland centric one? If so, what interest is a general rasika expected to have in such a meeting to be posted in rasikas!?

cacm · Post by **cacm** » 26 Jul 2010, 11:29

NO. ANY ONE CAN COME UP WITH THEIR OWN SUGGESTIONS& IDEAS FOR ANY TOPIC. I just want something CONCRETE to be discussed from my point of view NOT just shooting the breeze.Its upto those attending. MY interest is MMI& PMI CENTENARY CELEBRATIONS. It has nothing to do with CLEVELAND or CHENNAI tho' I feel these are the TWO PLACES SOMETHING WILL HAPPEN. It is for others at different locations to stand up&speak. I was just stating my PERSONAL interests in trying to find out ideas of others. VKV

cacm · Post by **cacm** » 26 Jul 2010, 23:33

May request the MODERATOR to switch the last seven posts to Sri. S.Nageswaran's NEW THREAD on this subject as they belong there at least for the sake of continuity & we have just ONE LOCATION for this subject. THANKS, VKV

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 26 Jul 2010, 23:42

Done. Please continue the rasikas meet related discussions here. Thanks.

ragam-talam · Post by **ragam-talam** » 27 Jul 2010, 00:37

It would be nice if one particular viewpoint (e.g. Cleveland) doesn't take over the agenda of the get-together.
Let's first hear what various participants wish to talk about, instead of one small group hogging the attention every time. (I understand this is what happened at the last meet.)

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 27 Jul 2010, 00:54

I was a little dubious before the event, last time, of devoting the major part of the event to memories and tales of just one musician. I was quite wrong to be. Whatever the chosen topic[s], vkv and friends will make it a great day.

Nageswaran has already told me that it will be some years before his grand-daughter gives anything like a concert, but I hope she will sing for us again, and maybe for a little longer this time. Perhaps we could find a mridangist and violinist to play with her?

cacm · Post by **cacm** » 27 Jul 2010, 03:17

ragam-talam wrote:It would be nice if one particular viewpoint (e.g. Cleveland) doesn't take over the agenda of the get-together.
Let's first hear what various participants wish to talk about, instead of one small group hogging the attention every time. (I understand this is what happened at the last meet.)

YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT HAPPENED LAST YEAR IS QUITE INCORRECT. Let me recount for you EXACTLY what happened.
The main purpose of the meeting was: I had suggested I wanted to make a presentation on M.S. especially DIRECTLY address the FALSEHOODS in the book about M.S. by T.J.S.GEORGE along with unsustantiated falsehoods about M.S.& SADASIVAM BY VARIOUS other writings. I made a presentation EQUIVALENT to the 25 minute invited talk in USA by Invited Speakers on the subject in APS or ANY PROFESSIONAL SOCIETY IN USA. In addition as I happen to have known both M.S.& SADASIVAM very well as well as having been intimately involved in their N.A. tours. I also requested MKR who is PRACTICALLY like their own son & his wife Nirmala to talk about their personal experiences with that DIVINE COUPLE. The idea was to present FACTS & it was well received.
There was a request by some to get VVS to participate and talk about M.S&T.S-He was also involved in a MAJOR FASHION with their N.A. VISITS- and also to briefly talk about Cleveland Festival & details of the LOGIC that is used in organising it. Actually he was kind enough to break 5 engagements to come there & talked for about 15 minutes.ALL the talks were INFORMAL with audience participation.
Apart from the EXCELLENT LUNCH provided by Sri.S.Nageswaran & the fine music by his TALENTED grand daughter there was a one hour Violin Solo Recital by the up& coming artist Aishwarya Venkataraman-who is already famous in N.A. for her western,jazz , composing as well as carnatic music skills-. The Excellent Violin Recital by Aishwarya Venkataraman accompanied by the competent Vinod Venkataraman (they volunteered to perform) finding time in their crowded schedulewas exemplary.They are BOTH members of Raskas forum also.
LUNCH& AFTERWARDS the socializing was on an individual basis.
In short out of the 4-5 hours NOT more than 20 minutes was spent on Cleveland, that too because of requests by persons based in Chennai& N.A.
The proposal I made again would from my point of view would involve PERSONAL INTERACTIONS& interesting anectdotes about MMI& PMI (BOTH of whom I knew well from early 50's) and if MKR is available & willing likewise. His knowledge about CM of the Golden age of CM Music IS UNEQUALLED & it will be a rare opportunity to hear from an EXPERT who also happens to be an insider.
My idea is to frankly drum up support for APPROPRIATELY celebrating the BIRTH CENTENARIES of MMI& PMI not JUST talk about how great they are, were etc. So others who have ideas can discuss the subject.
LIKE I WROTE BEFORE there is NO NECESSITY to drag Cleveland etc into this. It so happens only in Chennai& Cleveland there are plans to do something about two of the greatest musicians of twentieth century.....
OTHERS who like to discuss any other subject should speak up also & I am sure they can be accomodated . So lets hear CONCRETE SUGGESTIONS TO make it worthwhile for EVERONE. VKV

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 27 Jul 2010, 06:51

Nageswaran,
Thank you so much for inviting us to your home again. It was great listening to Nirmala and MKR speak of MS. Your granddaughter Srinidhi's singing was wonderful. It more than made up for the lunch I missed (kuzhanadiyin iSai virundu).Could stay to hear Aishwarya play
only for a few minutes because I was invited to lunch elsewhwere. I made it a point to hear her in concert at Parthasarathy Swami Sabha. She was very impressive.
Hoping to join you again. Whatever the experts put together for the morning is fine by me. I am sure it will be worth my while. The bonus is, we get to meet fellow-rasikAs!

semmu86 · Post by **semmu86** » 27 Jul 2010, 07:47

Ah, here we are approaching yet another season and plans for another get together... Time does fly and am more desperate for this season than any other over the past 15 years as i have shifted base from Chennai now... As usual a big thanks to our "sangeetha hospitalitynidhi" Nageswaran Sir for taking up the initiative to host us.. Even though dec is still quite a distance away to start talking about the dates now , my only request is that it is on a sunday morning, preferably during the christmas weekend, like what we had last year...

semmu86 · Post by **semmu86** » 27 Jul 2010, 07:54

VKV sir, i have a small suggestion.. Maybe we should (We in the sense, the more knowledgeable and experienced rasikas like yourself, MKR etc..) talk about musicians whose contributions and vidwath is not so well recognized and even understood by many rasikas.. Eg Vidwans like Trichy Sankaran..Actually we were planning it last time itself, but somehow did not happen. Maybe you can throw some light.. Any suggestions?

cacm · Post by **cacm** » 27 Jul 2010, 09:54

Dear Semmu,
YOUR SUGGESTION IS GOOD. Personally in this regard right now I am concentrating on MMI & PMI as age wise they are the oldest & I am actively looking for suggestions etc for their centenary etc.I also do not want to have too many persons being discussed at these sessions as TIME is a big constraint & we want to have decent time spent on these greats. For example before tiruchy S I would prefer His guru Palani Subramanya Pillai. So my PERSONAL preference is to do it chronologically. May be we should have a vote among those who are planning to attend & choose not more than two or as many as the attendees want .Also the person proposing any suggestion or idea should be responsible for co-ordinating whatever is needed in my opinion ......PL write here or communicate with Sri.S.Nageswaran on this........VKV

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 27 Jul 2010, 13:26

For example before tiruchy S I would prefer His guru Palani Subramanya Pillai.

Tangentially (for another occasion)....

Wouldn't it be wonderful if we could have a rasika's meet specifically about PSP, with TS as chief guest and speaker?

I guess, though, that his season days are probably booked up a year or two in advance.

ragam-talam · Post by **ragam-talam** » 27 Jul 2010, 13:34

cacm wrote:It so happens only in Chennai& Cleveland there are plans to do something about two of the greatest musicians of twentieth century.....

And how do you know this? Maybe there's more publicity emanating from these two cities, but I am sure there are several other places around the world that are also involved in these celebrations. Let's hear from them.

In fact, I would suggest they get more prominence in rasikas forum discussions than the celebrity centres. Of course, this reflects my own bias against celebrities, whether they be musicians or places.

cacm · Post by **cacm** » 27 Jul 2010, 19:34

/PMI

ragam-talam wrote:It so happens only in Chennai& Cleveland there are plans to do something about two of the greatest musicians of twentieth century.....And how do you know this? Maybe there's more publicity emanating from these two cities, but I am sure there are several other places around the world that are also involved in these celebrations. Let's hear from them.

In fact, I would suggest they get more prominence in rasikas forum discussions than the celebrity centres. Of course, this reflects my own bias against celebrities, whether they be musicians or places.

THAT'S PRECISELY THE REASON FOR WRITING WHAT I DID! I know of only these TWO where plans are being made. OBVIOUSLY MMI/PMI do not belong only to these two places or the few persons trying to do something.I REQUEST ANYONE PLANNING ANYTHING TO COME OUT& LET EVERY ONE KNOW. THIS WAY CO-ORDINATION WILL BE BETTER.
I LIVE IN N.A. & GO TOCHENNAI FOR THREE MONTHS. THIS YEAR: NOV220MARCH 1ST WEEK.
ALSO LETS HEAR FROM THOSE WHO HAVE ANY CONCRETE IDEAS.I DO NOT CLAIM TO KNOW ANYTHING OR EVERYTHING.....VKV

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 27 Jul 2010, 19:45

vkv:
You remind me of the kuRaL,
paNiyumAm enRum perumai......
Despite some implied accusations and your vast knowledge your humility is so evident. Exemplary, indeed!

ShrutiLaya · Post by **ShrutiLaya** » 27 Jul 2010, 19:56

But .. and I ask with the greatest humility .. is all the SHOUTING NECESSARY?

- Sreenadh

cacm · Post by **cacm** » 27 Jul 2010, 20:03

[quote="ShrutiLaya"]But .. and I ask with the greatest humility .. is all the SHOUTING NECESSARY?

-Dear ShrutiLaya,
If YOU are writng with respect to my using CAPITALS, I do not follow the so called ETTIQUETTE proclaimed by unknown persons. Like my views my typing also probably leaves a lot to be desired & I apolgise to any one who considers it to be expressing any emotion on my part. At 76, I barely have energy to type properly-I don't- & I PREFER larger letters as they are easier to read. I have managed to get by so far without using bi-focals! VKV

MaheshS · Post by **MaheshS** » 27 Jul 2010, 20:09

Fingers and everything crossed, I might be in India for December 2010 season after a gap of 12 years

During these years whenever I come, I only get to see Kulkarni ji. This year I hope to see a few more rasikas.

I would *love* to hear more on MMI with regards to
- his interactions with accompanying artists, I've heard Alangudi Ramachandran being heart broken after hearing MMI's demise and destroyed his ghatam which he had labelled as MMI ghatam.
- his interest in Sivan's krithis and him popularising them and Tamil Isai
- his early days in Madurai learning
- interaction with Maha Periyava of Kanchi
- the jocular[?] in-fighting[if I can call it that] between the hardcore MMI and GNB fans
- The old DD documentary talks about his love for his mum and sisters

I've also heard when he was upcoming people scorned at his music labelling it all kinds and how once the mighty Viswanatha Iyer along with Semmangudi after hearing MMI's Mohanam saying, Ni sadha mani illa da, swara mani. It should have been some special Mohanam for Viswanatha Iyer to comment as such, considering Mohanam was his "property"

I got to hear a few more anecdotes from a [late] mama in Mambalam who worshipped MMI and would not even listen to my recordings of GNB

To him MMI was music and music was MMI.

I goto into carnatic music after I was made to listen to Santhanam. But I got fully involved only after I listened to probably the best concert in my opinion, ever. MMI-Lalgudi-Palani starting from Mohanam varnam , Thaya Yashodha and Parimala Rangapathe in Kambodhi. That kalinil chilambu neraval with Lalgudi's reply still rings in my ear. No one is even *close* to that.

Pratyaksham Bala · Post by **Pratyaksham Bala** » 27 Jul 2010, 20:10

VKVji,
I admire your enthusiasm.

uday_shankar · Post by **uday_shankar** » 27 Jul 2010, 20:32

ShrutiLaya wrote:But .. and I ask with the greatest humility .. is all the SHOUTING NECESSARY?

In this instance it is not shouting. It is just an endearing, old-fashioned way of emphasis from a distinguished veteran scientist who has embraced netbooks,laptops and the internet along the way after going through analog computers, dec PDP-11's,punch cards, alphanumeric terminals, IBM PC XT's, etc, etc.. We are grateful.

(vkv sir, PLEASE CONTINUE TO USE CAPS FOR EMPHASIS, AND IT SHALL NOT BE CONSTRUED AS SHOUTING

)

MaheshS wrote:probably the best concert in my opinion, ever. MMI-Lalgudi-Palani starting from Mohanam varnam , Thaya Yashodha and Parimala Rangapathe in Kambodhi. That kalinil chilambu neraval with Lalgudi's reply still rings in my ear. No one is even *close* to that.

Mahesh, just mentioning that concert brings the goosebumps to me and not a week passes when I have not listened to some part of it. But there's a MAJOR correction. I spent some time going over that recording with veteran mrdangist, writer and currently seniormost disciple of PSP Shri K S Kalidas and he has assured me that it is not PSP but Shri Vellore Ramabhadran. He has played awesomely. Of course the ghatam player is Alangudi Ramachandran. So everyone, please correct your records for that concert to read MMI-LGJ-VR-AR. But no doubt, it is one of the best EVER concerts

. !! God bless the immortal Madurai Mani Iyer !

Another MMI correction courtesy Shri Kalidas...there's an MMI=LGJ-PSP concert floating with the label "temple"/"kapali temple"/"palani temple", etc...which has an extensive tani by PSP after Kapali in Mohanam (I think). That was actually in someboyd's house in Dindigul.

MaheshS · Post by **MaheshS** » 27 Jul 2010, 20:50

Uday - Thanks very much for the correction. Good god, VR was amazing, simply amazing.

uday_shankar · Post by **uday_shankar** » 27 Jul 2010, 20:56

Mahesh,
I blame you squarely for a sacrilegious act I just committed. I cut short an MDR-TNK-UKS concert and switched to THAT MMI-LGJ-VR-AR. Currently at kapivaaridhi in apparamabhakti

....Sheer ecstacy...God bless these musicians...

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 27 Jul 2010, 20:59

ShrutiLaya wrote:But .. and I ask with the greatest humility .. is all the SHOUTING NECESSARY?

- Sreenadh

HE ISN'T SHOUTING. .............................an neither am I

I had a big row with VKV about this a couple of years back, and eventually came to know that it is better to realise that he types with CAPS MEANING WHAT MOST OF US USE ITALICS for.

We got over the misunderstanding, I now read his posts as I think they should be read, and am the better for it. Since meeting, we are the best of friends.

but hey, YES: IT IS EASY TO MISUNDERSTAND.

--- but I know people who do far worse things than breaches of "normal" internet protocol!

semmu86 · Post by **semmu86** » 27 Jul 2010, 21:49

uday_shankar wrote: Another MMI correction courtesy Shri Kalidas...there's an MMI=LGJ-PSP concert floating with the label "temple"/"kapali temple"/"palani temple", etc...which has an extensive tani by PSP after Kapali in Mohanam (I think). That was actually in someboyd's house in Dindigul.

Hi Uday, thanks so much for this correction. I have this concert in my records as 1962-Palani Temple , as one of the last concerts of PSP.... Yeah, the thani runs up close to half an hour and the thisram PSP would have played in that thani was just out of the world..

Sundara Rajan · Post by **Sundara Rajan** » 27 Jul 2010, 23:24

Uday/Mahesh: May I know which MMI-LGJ-PSP(VR) AR concert are you referring to? Is it available on the net? I have listened to dozens of live MMI concerts in Tiruchi & Coimbatore in the 1950's before I moved here in 1961; I don't remember ever hearing MMI start with a varNam. That must have been a rarity in itself.

gmohan · Post by **gmohan** » 27 Jul 2010, 23:34

Sundara Rajan : The MMI/LGJ/VR/AR is available in sangeethamshare in KS Jaishankar (KSJ) folder as MMI Jampot concert.

cacm · Post by **cacm** » 28 Jul 2010, 00:30

Nick H wrote:For example before tiruchy S I would prefer His guru Palani Subramanya Pillai.

Tangentially (for another occasion)....

Wouldn't it be wonderful if we could have a rasika's meet specifically about PSP, with TS as chief guest and speaker?

I guess, though, that his season days are probably booked up a year or two in advance.

Nick,YOUR SUGGESTION IS AN EXCELLENT ONE. If there is approval from those attending I am willing to approach T.S. & request him if he would do it. I know him quite well & we can slant it so HIS great contributions can also be discussed. I will be happy to talk about T.S. in great detail. VKV

cacm · Post by **cacm** » 28 Jul 2010, 00:46

Dear Mahesh,
I have noted down your relevent & excellent suggestions. I will make sure each one of them is addressed properly in the get together.
I would like to address just ONE briefly here: GNB fans VS MMI fans. Like most things there are EXTREME&RABID fans but MAJORITY of them were EQUALLY fans of BOTH. As a matter of fact I happen to be one in that latter category & have intensely interacted with BOTH. To give you an idea MMI in several GNB concerts used to stand up & shoutingly request GNB to render songs like Sonnadai seythida Sagasama & other songs. GNB in a concert looked up & seeing MMI- they used to meet frequently in Nageswararao opposite MMI'S house& discuss music for hours& recognised him from just the voice- said: "Maniya"? & DELIVERED an unimaginable rendering. The mutual respect & admiration was unparalled& unbelievable. The problem arises only when there is a compulsion to COMPARE. Its like arguing about Newton or Einstein.... VKV

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 28 Jul 2010, 01:01

I'll keep my fingers crossed for TS at some time over the next couple of years, then, thankyou, VKV. I know he gave an excellent lecdem in Bangalore a couple of years back (PSP centenary?) which was very well received, and even, being outside of TN, given in English. If he speaks in Tamil, my wife is going to have a busy couple of days doing a translated transcript!

cacm · Post by **cacm** » 28 Jul 2010, 01:03

Uday, YOU are correct in reporting the venue, accompanists for the two concerts as stated by Kalidas. Actually you have somewhat stolen the thunder because in this year's MMI REMEBRANCE DAY CELEBRATIONS I am planning to talk about VARIOUS-in my opinion the equivalent current day benefactors like the past Maharajahs- persons like Dindukkal Angu Vilas Owner who is SINGULARLY responsible for not just an unbelievable MMI-LGJ-PSP-A.R. Concert but in my opinion the MOST OUTSTANDING THANI BY P.S.P. Of course every Thani by P.S.P. in my opinion is equivalent to a Nobel winning effort in terms of CREATIVITY & ORIGINALITY& PERFECTION.....
Similarly the MMI-LGJ-V.R.-A.R. Concert is one which I have discussed with MMI& V.R. in some detail & again will be taliking about on MMI DAY as it features Vasudevayani a GNB record setting song......Thanks for supporting an old scientist! VKV

cacm · Post by **cacm** » 28 Jul 2010, 01:18

Sundara Rajan wrote:Uday/Mahesh: May I know which MMI-LGJ-PSP(VR) AR concert are you referring to? Is it available on the net? I have listened to dozens of live MMI concerts in Tiruchi & Coimbatore in the 1950's before I moved here in 1961; I don't remember ever hearing MMI start with a varNam. That must have been a rarity in itself.

I will comment ONLY reg. starting with Varnam. Actually when he started on the concert circuit- around 1924? or thereabouts-he was VERY ORTHODOX except for the Apoorva Ragas& Kritis- & started with a Varnam & the Pallavi had Nalu(4) Kalai Chavukkam etc in what is generally called "Ariyakudi Bhani". As he evolved, with EXPERIENCE& realization his SruthiSuddham& Kalapramana Suddham were so perfect he could sing any song RIGHT from the Start & he sang Varnams etc MOSTLY on request. He was one of the few musicians who literally lived to please the audience & NEVER did not respond positively to a fan's request. Actually I know for a fact that for most of the concerts - I knew him only from early fifties myself- he was inundated with requests from fans& Sabha secretaries with what he shd. sing etc- he tried his BEST to accomodate& in my opinion SUCCEEDED. The early recordings we don't have & the Varnams etc are requests! Actually his curiosity & genuine interest musically- in this the immortal M.S.S.is the only other musician I know who matches him- was so great MOST of us have heard probably 25-30 percent of wht he knew.......VKV

cacm · Post by **cacm** » 28 Jul 2010, 01:33

I would like some reference where the EQUIVALENT OF THE "EMILY POST" ETTIQUETTE for Internet writing on Forums like these are written down. I thought this was a forum on ideas & opinions & NOT Wren& Martin Grammar of olden days & Queen's English.Who is the author& who agreed& approved it? ......I request SOME EXPERT to respond.VKV'

cacm · Post by **cacm** » 28 Jul 2010, 01:45

Pratyaksham Bala wrote:VKVji,
I admire your enthusiasm.

I sincerely thank you for your kind remarks. It is not surprising to me as I was one of close to a hundred persons who used to WALK after a Mali, MMI, GNB Concert to Triplicane, Mylapore, etc from Perambur. To this day I cannot come up with Equivalent experiences! VKV

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 28 Jul 2010, 02:09

cacm wrote:I would like some reference where the EQUIVALENT OF THE "EMILY POST" ETTIQUETTE for Internet writing on Forums like these are written down. I thought this was a forum on ideas & opinions & NOT Wren& Martin Grammar of olden days & Queen's English.Who is the author& who agreed& approved it? ......I request SOME EXPERT to respond.VKV'

Here is one.
http://www.albion.com/netiquette/book/index.html

cacm · Post by **cacm** » 28 Jul 2010, 02:26

Dear Mahakavi, THANKS. I will try to borrow it from library& read it. VKV

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 28 Jul 2010, 03:49

Sorry, I didn't make it clear. You can read the whole book online too, one chapter at a time, if you like, by clicking on each link.

cacm · Post by **cacm** » 28 Jul 2010, 05:53

Thanks! I will & hopefully CONFORM better but being a Research scienist my Discipline level is suspect.....VKV

semmu86 · Post by **semmu86** » 28 Jul 2010, 07:21

cacm wrote: If there is approval from those attending I am willing to approach T.S. & request him if he would do it. I know him quite well & we can slant it so HIS great contributions can also be discussed. I will be happy to talk about T.S. in great detail. VKV

VKV sir, am sure there are many people excluding me who will be most willingly to look forward to this. Would definitely be one of the highlights of the season if everything comes together in place. And thanks to Nick for this suggestion..

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 28 Jul 2010, 12:48

I had the idea, two years back, to jump on a train and go to Bangalore, just for one evening, for the event I mentioned. I am still suffering from the fact that I did not.

VKV, you can understand that, on-line, misunderstandings can arise simply from the way a word is typed! Having been one of those misunderstanders, I have to say that now, if you changed your distinctive posting style --- I would miss it!

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 28 Jul 2010, 22:39

New members initially are not aware of the weight and worth of someone like VKV. Otherwise, they won't raise such issues.

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 28 Jul 2010, 23:24

We all had to learn, Arasi! Some of us have known each other online for a few years and had the experience of meeting as well. Somebody mentioned the twinkle in VKV's eye... I think they mentioned your sprightly step

cacm · Post by **cacm** » 29 Jul 2010, 00:19

I wanted to suggested to suggest ARASI to discuss her own compositions.Nothing can come close to a composer discussing& explaining their compositions as I found out when I heard Swarna Dhikshitar talk about his creations or Papanasam Sivan discussing Kanakkankodiwith MMI.As the Doyen S.Rajam pointed out: Valaji did not EXIST before Harikesanallur Muthiah Bhagavathar invented it & it took MMI to popularise a NEW ENTITY! Actually MMI replied when asked about why he sang Vathapi so many times he said he has been singing it ALL his life in the hope AT LEAST ONCE he would render it as Dhikshithar probably intended but has not been able to do it! & It is analogous to Edward Teller who gave a talk on Schridinger's Cat- he was physically present when Heisenberg came up with the Uncertainty Principle in Quantum Mecanics, the corner stone of Q.M.-& you can literally "see" every Neuron in his brain fire!........I hesitated because this is really serious stuff& Language difficulties not just for NICK but others too exist....I would like comments, remarks etc from others including ARASI.

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 29 Jul 2010, 01:39

vkv:
If you enter the territory of discussing contemporary compositions either by the composer or an expert in that field, the foremost thing to be kept in mind is the sAhityam--- the diction, the intent, the positioning of the words, the abandon with which the flow occurs, the choice of one rAgam versus another for that song etc. For example, if you take the mukhAri kriti of NIlakaNTha Sivan "enRaikku siva krupai.." there is one word that he uses for the analogy with cow that says it all. That is "kanRin kuralaik kETTu kanindu varum pasu pOl..". In my mind no other word would convey the pathos contained in that line better than the word kanindu. Likewise recently we had a discussion in rasikapriya.net where OVK's song "nI tAn meccikkoLLa vENDum.." (sriranjcani) came up. There is the phrase "tEDippiDikka enRAl sakthiyumillai". In some text the word enRAl was given as ennAl. It was a printer's devil and such things are common when some illiterate typesetters make a mistake and the proofreaders miss them. Some discussion ensued and all kinds of second and third guesses were submitted and discussed. In doing all this the discussants forget the scholarship of the composer of the past.

Yes, certain compositions can be taken and discussed for their literary merit by those who have such expertise.

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 29 Jul 2010, 02:41

....I hesitated because this is really serious stuff& Language difficulties not just for NICK but others too exist..

It is true that for my taste, knowledge and linguistic ability, this would possibly not work. However, nothing would make me feel worse than the thought that anything was left out on account of the lowest common denominator --- which, in some respects, is me.

I believe that what made last year's event so successful was the predominance of the human, rather than the technical aspect. Whatever, or whoever, is the subject, if the accent is on humanity rather than technicality, then I believe it will be a success for all.