TM Krishna's concert Web Cast

Sam Swaminathan · Post by **Sam Swaminathan** » 29 Nov 2011, 01:12

Dear Rasikas

I have received information that Sri TMK's Dec concert will be live webcast....here is the link

http://tmkrishna.com/webcast/streaming.php

Regards

hamirkalyani123 · Post by **hamirkalyani123** » 29 Nov 2011, 07:57

Thanks, Sam Swaminathan. If there are more, let us know. Last year, I remember Charsur did a few thank to icarnatic.

http://www.icarnatic.org/concerts.aspx

This time they haven't announced the details of the concerts yet...

kalyani_ragam · Post by **kalyani_ragam** » 29 Nov 2011, 18:29

The whole world can record the concert ! TMK is magnanimous enough to let that happen or is it the rating / audience following has dropped and this is a new stunt to crave attention ?

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 29 Nov 2011, 19:23

kalyani_ragam wrote:The whole world can record the concert ! TMK is magnanimous enough to let that happen or is it the rating / audience following has dropped and this is a new stunt to crave attention ?

The concert is only streamed and also has a price tag, it is next to impossible to record and to be given as a download mp3 link(though some hacker in the world may do it).

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 29 Nov 2011, 20:21

The man is charging for watching him on the web? Sheeh*.

And... it is very easy to record whatever sound is coming from your PC. In Windows, I used to use a paid-for package called Total Recorder. No doubt there are free utilities now. In Ubuntu Linux, there is a general desktop recorder, or, in my slightly non-standard audio setup, I just click one button. Probably the only way to make PC sound unrecordable is to make it ... inaudible. Anyone wanting to do this: Google is your friend!

*Rs.500! Double-Sheesh.

kalyani_ragam · Post by **kalyani_ragam** » 30 Nov 2011, 10:55

I may pay to learn some new karate strokes !!

viswanathmysore · Post by **viswanathmysore** » 30 Nov 2011, 11:39

did anyelse here one get spam in their mail boxes about this . i got one .

mri_fan · Post by **mri_fan** » 30 Nov 2011, 11:58

As someone who will not be going to the season, and lives in the US, I am really excited about this! It's about time...15 bucks is about what we pay per concert here, and as nick said, I can record a copy of the audio and be able to listen to the concert whenever I want. We get some recordings of the season through Sangeethapriya, but their either not full concerts (through AIR), or they're really poor quality, with a lot of audience disturbance.

Considering the alternative is to be taking off work, spending over a thousand dollars on a flight, etc, I think this is a great option.

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 30 Nov 2011, 13:29

fair enough. Enjoy!

For someone who lives in Chennai, Rs500 is a lot of money to pay for good seat in a concert.

Please don't quote me on my advice on how to record! I might get a rude letter from TMK's solicitor!

Of course, my advice was general, and refers to any sound on your PC.

TMK need not worry about me: I shan't be sending my rs500 to TMK Ltd!

You right about the economics as it affects you, of course. Sometimes I reflect the same thing if buying some exorbitantly-priced import: it may be three times the price, but it is still a lot cheaper than an air ticket!

EDIT: corrected the bad mistake!

anandasangeetham · Post by **anandasangeetham** » 30 Nov 2011, 13:59

Nick,

On a lighter vein....

You should'nt be so afraid of "TMK" and / or his advocate...that you spelt TMK as TNK....

Thalaivarda · Post by **Thalaivarda** » 30 Nov 2011, 15:52

N lies very close to M.

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 30 Nov 2011, 16:29

... and it is indicative of the musician I'd rather be thinking about! This is a mistake I've made before, and will probably make again. Usually, like its and it's, I catch myself out before clicking on Submit :$

Thanks for the correction: it has been edited.

Rasika911 · Post by **Rasika911** » 30 Nov 2011, 16:53

Been a while since TMK's name has popped up on one of the threads, used to be a very frequent occurrence.

Has he reduced the amount of concerts he sings, have his ardent rasikas stopped posting on this forum or is his popularity starting to fade with the uprising of 'the next big thing' abhishek raghuram?

What are the attendances to his concerts like these days?

MV · Post by MV » 01 Dec 2011, 07:52

LGJ, MSG and TNK coexisted. GNB, MMI, Chembai etc shared the limelight. So, if there is an audience for AR, there will be one for TMK and Sanjay. Variety is the spice of life. The different styles, presentations all adds to the fullness of the concert.

And yes, I like the webcast idea for years when you can't travel from overseas ...

bilahari · Post by **bilahari** » 01 Dec 2011, 08:03

For NRI rasikas, I think Rs. 500 is fair game. And Rasika911, TMK's U.S. tour concerts this year were very well attended and he definitely still has a market.

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 01 Dec 2011, 12:38

For NRI rasikas, I think Rs. 500 is fair game.

Oh No! for them it is US$15.

On the web page is a picture of TMK with his back to us. Possibly even shrugging his shoulders.... says it all.

No, I am not one of those who thinks that musicians should perform for the love of god, and that that will house their families and put food in their stomachs, but this is too much. What next? Selling ring tones?

Sam Swaminathan · Post by **Sam Swaminathan** » 01 Dec 2011, 14:30

Nick H wrote : "What next? Selling ring tones?"...

Not a bad idea Nick...artists can sing the pallavi lines of all known krithis and this can be used as ring tones. We can keep changing the songs on a day to day basis. Brilliant!

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 01 Dec 2011, 16:41

Nick,
And I thought--compared to this kindergartner of the web world, you are a wiz! Ringtones are de rigueur, it seems. Even a barely known composer you know has some song of hers offered as ring tone somewhere!

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 01 Dec 2011, 19:00

:$ Accidental good idea!

Of course, it is not a new idea to use a snatch of carnatic music as a ring tone; I knew people doing it in London years ago --- and how much more pleasant on the ear than film songs!

There are two sorts of ring tones: the noise that your phone makes when it is calling you, and the sounds that the caller hear on their phone when they are calling you. The second is something I wish had never been invented: why should I be forced to listen to someone else's choice of music, which is often not mine. Commercial opportunity for the phone networks --- but why pay for something that only others hear? It's a weird, weird world.

For someone who is looking to maximise the financial return on their musical output, though, neither of these should be neglected.

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 01 Dec 2011, 22:12

>but why pay for something that only others hear? It's a weird, weird world.

Nick, it is 'Communicating who you are to others'.

Industries based on such vanities are worth hundreds of billions of dollars. How about this example: 'Why pay a premium for something that only others can see for the most part'?.... Dress. Hygiene and comfort are for the wearer, rest of it is for others. The latter part carries 90% of the price.

One good thing is, without spending on vanity, money would not move around that much and the world economy will collapse.

ragh_avan · Post by **ragh_avan** » 02 Dec 2011, 00:41

Well; this man has to earn money and I find nothing wrong with it.

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 02 Dec 2011, 02:11

I am but a Curmudgeon --- take it with a pinch of salt!

varsha · Post by **varsha** » 02 Dec 2011, 10:27

What is wrong about TMK fixing a price for himself , I cannot understand .
As the saying goes
No one ever paid the price of a book . Only the price of printing it .
What do we know the price this artist has had to pay , to master his art ?
Be fair to him .

Always_Evolving · Post by **Always_Evolving** » 02 Dec 2011, 11:06

I find it quite reasonable for an artist to charge for a webcast, but to me the rate seems steep. I could get a very decent seat in KGS or NGS for 500, for a concert-hall experience, while streaming can still be choppy and have technical problems.

I also think that if I were a sabha Secy organizing concerts and selling tickets, I wouldn't be too thrilled about an artist webcasting live and selling his OWN tickets. I might consider it if I were to get a share of the money though. It could potentially eat into sabha earnings -- say a listener from far-off Perambur were to decide she'd rather not hike in all the way but rather catch it online?

anandasangeetham · Post by **anandasangeetham** » 02 Dec 2011, 12:42

the sabha will no doubt have a large share...given that the equipment for the webcast has to be inside the hall and this cannot be without the sabhas knowledge ..more of it will be of the sabhas' idea..and TMK the maverick (in his own words) would have happily agreed to it....then again nothing to match the live sabha experience sitting inside the hall....

anandasangeetham · Post by **anandasangeetham** » 02 Dec 2011, 12:52

on the poor audience at most of the sabhas....is it due to the high entry fee? this has spiralled in the last couple or three years....i have seen people throng to the free entry concerts but not much crowd at the ticketed concerts....as the organisers get most of the expense covered through sponsorships (who benefit by way of advertisement inside and outside the hall) it would be convenient for all if the tickets are priced a little reasonably ..in my opinion the rates can range from 25 - 200 per day.....and there will much more rasikas willing to pay at this price.....

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 02 Dec 2011, 13:59

Always_Evolving wrote:I find it quite reasonable for an artist to charge for a webcast, but to me the rate seems steep. I could get a very decent seat in KGS or NGS for 500, for a concert-hall experience, while streaming can still be choppy and have technical problems.

Quite.

So, if there was an option to pay only Rs.50, for sitting on the other side of the room from the PC monitor, I'd be happier ]

VijayR · Post by **VijayR** » 03 Dec 2011, 23:09

Always_Evolving wrote:I find it quite reasonable for an artist to charge for a webcast, but to me the rate seems steep. I could get a very decent seat in KGS or NGS for 500, for a concert-hall experience, while streaming can still be choppy and have technical problems.

I also think that if I were a sabha Secy organizing concerts and selling tickets, I wouldn't be too thrilled about an artist webcasting live and selling his OWN tickets. I might consider it if I were to get a share of the money though. It could potentially eat into sabha earnings -- say a listener from far-off Perambur were to decide she'd rather not hike in all the way but rather catch it online?

Actually, it will not cannibalize ticket sales! If you read the fine print, the streaming will not be available to viewers in Chennai (I would imagine that they would use a reasonable geographic radius while enforcing this).

As far as the price is concerned, it is all market dynamics... If the artist prices the ticket too high, he/she will essentially price himself/herself out of the market. Eventually, it is the total revenue that matters, which is (price per viewer) x (number of viewers). If the first component is too high, it brings down the second component. It is up to each artist to try and hit the optimal sweet spot! In a quest to do that, I don't see anything wrong for an artist to test the waters with a pricing structure of his/her choice.

Always_Evolving · Post by **Always_Evolving** » 04 Dec 2011, 13:20

Ah yes, I hadn't read that fine print. Interesting. Didn't know it was so easy selectively disallow Chennai IP addresses....

VijayR · Post by **VijayR** » 04 Dec 2011, 18:27

Always_Evolving wrote:Ah yes, I hadn't read that fine print. Interesting. Didn't know it was so easy selectively disallow Chennai IP addresses....

Yes, it is easy to restrict based on geographic location. However, it is also possible to fake your location, so...

fduddy · Post by **fduddy** » 04 Dec 2011, 18:36

When a person can afford to pay INR 300 for a movie ticket and watch kolaveri, Dirty pictures, Dabang and the like, why cant sabhas price the tickets in a way they feel it is appropriate. After all this is become a pure commercial venture / programme!

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 04 Dec 2011, 18:37

One of these Januaries, we are probably going to find that selling tickets for concert seats doesn't stop --- but continues into February, March ...

What then?

The fine print

So, one should consult with an advocate before listening to TMK these days

Didn't know it was so easy selectively disallow Chennai IP addresses....

It is a blunt tool. Somehow, the on-line "where-am-I" services are pretty accurate, but not at all 100%. Over the years, I have occasionally been surprised to find that I was living in Delhi. There is absolutely nothing intrinsically geographic, or even national, about IP addresses --- ranges are bought by companies, but, of course, those companies have locations. The BBC limits its I-Player TV content to British viewers by the same method.

<cross-posted>

And, as VijayR suggests, there are always around the restrictions for those that want to use them

bilahari · Post by **bilahari** » 04 Dec 2011, 20:38

Nick H wrote: Over the years, I have occasionally been surprised to find that I was living in Delhi.

LOL!

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 04 Dec 2011, 20:52

Nick H wrote:There is absolutely nothing intrinsically geographic, or even national, about IP addresses --- ranges are bought by companies, but, of course, those companies have locations. ...

And, of course, they would be pretty silly if they did not route contiguous blocks to the same places!

:$

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 04 Dec 2011, 21:36

VijayR wrote:If you read the fine print, the streaming will not be available to viewers in Chennai (I would imagine that they would use a reasonable geographic radius while enforcing this).

VijayR
May I know where exactly you saw the above fine print , i did not see that yet

VijayR · Post by **VijayR** » 04 Dec 2011, 22:07

rajeshnat wrote: VijayR
May I know where exactly you saw the above fine print , i did not see that yet

Click the "Register Now" button. You will see it on the next page.

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 04 Dec 2011, 23:52

There is absolutely nothing intrinsically geographic, or even national, about IP addresses --- ranges are bought by companies, but, of course, those companies have locations.

It is true that Ip address itself doesn't intrinsically carry any geographic information, but you seem to refer to the 'whois' database above. That has the address of the owner of a range of ip addresses. It is useful to find the owner of a website.

But that is not the geo-location of an IP address. A particular IP can be assigned to systems in various geographic areas of that company. The thumb rule is, the geo-location database ( provided by Geobytes, Ip2location etc. ) contains the address of the internet point of presence (POP) of the system that you connect to. In the U.S. cities that is typically within ten to thirty miles of the actual location.

( There are databases that are available that are much more accurate, like Skyhook, that can provide street level info but those are typically not publicly available. They are mainly sold to cell phone companies. )

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 05 Dec 2011, 01:53

There speaks real experience. Thanks VK!

hema · Post by **hema** » 06 Dec 2011, 12:21

I feel some of these comments are rather unfair to TMK. It is not available for Chennaiites. Being a chennaiite -- I too would have liked to watch some of
them.

I stood in the MA queue from 5am and finally got season tkts at about 11.30am. To get daily tkts at other places, one has to go early in the morning if one wants
good acoustics.

I think we must realise this is a profession for musicians too. Most of us who work in other kinds of professions (esp industry) -- charge by the hour -- so why not
a musician -- who has a much, much greater risk.

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 06 Dec 2011, 15:41

Indeed, it is a profession for musicians, and I am continually saying that neither love of god nor selfless service to mankind pay for roofs, food, education or medicine.

At some time, the free-concert setup, with pittances paid to artists is going to have to change, and the survival of carnatic music for more than the next decade or so might depend on this happening. So, I am always in two minds: I want my free music, and the ethos of the carnatic concert (well, some of it: the free music availability also leads to the negative aspects of audience behaviour) yet I am shocked at how little elder carnatic vidwans and vidushis actually get paid for performing. They cannot eat our respect. Still, we expect them to perform for thousands, when their Northern counterparts do not even open their diaries unless it is for lakhs.

However, there is a point where commercialism is caustic to art, either displacing it completely, or eating it away from the inside. the relationship of an artist with his or her ego is also a delicate business. We praise modesty, and yet no performing artist is completely modest, else they would be content to perform to their furniture. In all these things, there are degrees and balances --- and times when people seem to have gone too far.

anandasangeetham · Post by **anandasangeetham** » 06 Dec 2011, 16:44

music as a profession has it its own highs and lows as any other profession.....budding artists are paid very poor...sabha concert and particularly during the "season" artists are poorly paid....but they make it up with foreign tours and during the marriage season..most of the artists demand in six figure remuneration at least and they do get it......this goes only for the main artists but not for the accompanists who are paid the same rate (by the main artist)...they are the poorest of the poor unless they have a following on their own and quite popular themselves to demand a higher fee.....this is akin to the teaching profession ...where they are paid poorly but the good part is there is no retirement to the earning ( meaning the tuitiuons) but lack the lime light.....and as it goes with any thing in the limelight they also have to spend a good amount of money to make people believe they are richly paid.....it goes with the territory...flashing jewels, spotless white dress(for male artist and colorful for female artists) in silk and heavy makeup are also important to convince the organiser that the charge is reasonable......this means that in the initial stage the artists spend more money on vanity than is affordable....an artist in crumpled attire sans make up is looked down irrespective of his/her vidwat....

Ponbhairavi · Post by **Ponbhairavi** » 06 Dec 2011, 19:52

and mrudangam artists have an extra commitment in the sense that they have to spend quite substantially for the recurring maintenance of their instrument...