Which Raga is this?

snigdha · Post by **snigdha** » 08 Feb 2007, 23:44

Hi to all
I have a question. If we replace the Chatusruthi Dhaivatam in rAga mOhanaM with a suddha dhaivatam, what is the name of the rAga that comes. Of course, the ArOhaNa and avarOhaNA will be:
S R2 G3 P D1 S'
S' D1 P G3 R2 S
Thanks!!!!
With best regards
Snigdha

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 08 Feb 2007, 23:49

vAsanti

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 09 Feb 2007, 04:27

According to Lakshman this is also known as 'janasammOdini' though that raga has other variants. See
http://www.sangeetham.com/_disc1/0000016a.htm

ramakriya · Post by **ramakriya** » 09 Feb 2007, 04:39

cmlover wrote:According to Lakshman this is also known as 'janasammOdini' though that raga has other variants. See
http://www.sangeetham.com/_disc1/0000016a.htm

That is what Dr BMK calls this rAga.. But the rest of the world calls it vAsanti, since they have another janasammOdini

-Ramakriya

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 09 Feb 2007, 05:25

Be happy he did not name it JayalalitamOhini

rbharath · Post by **rbharath** » 09 Feb 2007, 12:20

i was told this rAgam is also refered to as mOhanabhUpALam. is it true?

snigdha · Post by **snigdha** » 09 Feb 2007, 12:42

Thank you so much drshrikaanth, cmlover, ramakriya and rbharath. So vAsanthI it is.
Will trouble you ll for more such doubts.
With best regards
Snigdha

knandago2001 · Post by **knandago2001** » 10 Feb 2007, 07:01

Nagamani Srinath has composed a tillana in this raga and sings it often in her concerts. I have heard Nityasree render this ragam on the radio but forget the composition. I'd be interested in learning more about specific compositions in this raga.

Nandagopal

nivedita · Post by **nivedita** » 10 Feb 2007, 17:42

I have heard Nityasree render this ragam on the radio but forget the composition.

knandago2001,

I think the composition you have in mind is Sattur Karpagam's "mayil mIdu viLaiyADum vaDivElane"

knandago2001 · Post by **knandago2001** » 10 Feb 2007, 19:51

Nivedita:

If you have the lyrics / audio clip of this song, could you please post it? Many thanks,

Nandagopal

kssuresh · Post by **kssuresh** » 10 Feb 2007, 20:11

I have heard "gOvinda ninne" sung by Maharajapuram Santhanam, which is said to be in janasammOdini. Is this vAsanthi or the other j.sammOdini? Can anyone mention any tamil movie song in this raga?

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 10 Feb 2007, 20:35

mayil mIdu. rAgA: vAsanti. Adi tALA. Composer: Sattur Karpakam.

P: mayil mIdu viLaiyADum vaDivElanE muruganE unnai manamAra ninaippavarkku aruL bAlanE (sadA) (vaNNa) (tOghai)
A: kayilai vAzh jagadIshan maindanE kandanE kalangAdu enai kAkkum karuNAkaranE
(ciTTasvara)
dha pa dhA dha pa dhA sa dha sa pa dha sa ga pa dha sa ri ga pa dha sa ri pa ga dha pa sadA-
C: oru nALil orutaramEnum kumarA enrazhappavarkku karma vinai kaLaindiDuvAi kArtikEyanE
aruL vAri shoriginra avatAranE murugA aruNagiri pAdil vanda bAla muruganE
(repeat ciTTasvara)

humdinger · Post by **humdinger** » 10 Feb 2007, 23:10

There is this famous song from "saagara sangamam" where Ilayaraja plays an exhillarating hide and seek with mohana and vaasanthi. this starts off in mohana and he goes in to vaasanti in between. enjoy:
http://www.musicindiaonline.com/p/x/pJ7 ... As1NMvHdW/

i am sorry if you feel its sacrilegeous to mention Ilayaraja in a classical music thread...but i just couldnt resist sharing it.

nivedita · Post by **nivedita** » 10 Feb 2007, 23:14

Lakshman-ji,

The last line of the caraNam should read aruNagiri pAvil vanda bAla murugane.

The ciTTa svarams go like this in Nithyasree's version:

d , , p | d , g p | d , , , | , , , - g | d , , p | d , g p | d , , , | , , , - S ||
d , , p | d , g p | d , , , | , , , - S | d S - p d | p d S - g | d , , p | d , , S ||
d , , - S | , d S , | p d S , | g p d S | , r g p | d S , g | r , p g | , d p , | S d , , ||

kssuresh,

gOvinda ninna nAmave canda has a distinct n2 usage, along with d2. The ArO-ava is s r2 g3 p d2 n2 S - S n2 d2 p g3 r2 s.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 10 Feb 2007, 23:50

Here is the Tamil link for the song posted by humdinger
sung by SPB and Shailaja
http://www.musicindiaonline.com/p/x/PVO ... As1NMvHdW/
But I could not get the 'feel' for vaasanthi. Could somebody help?

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 11 Feb 2007, 00:22

Nityashree's recording is available here:
http://www.musicindiaonline.com/music/c ... rtist.108/

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 11 Feb 2007, 00:27

Here is the list of songs in vAsanti:

Bhumi tamare pu mapugo-Adi-Annamacharya
Kuyile ni kuvi azhaippai-Adi-D.Pattamal
Mayil midu vilaiyadum vadivelane-Adi-Sattur Karpakam
Mere dil ki- -Balasai
Tillana (tam tam taka tom tom taka tadhira)-Chapu-Lalgudi Jayaraman
Umamaheshvara suputram-M/Jhampa-R.K.Suryanarayana
Vasanti madhavi-Adi-P.T.Narasimhachar

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 11 Feb 2007, 00:28

cmlover wrote:But I could not get the 'feel' for vaasanthi. Could somebody help?

The D1 appears for about 15 secs from around 1:45 and 3:10.

humdinger · Post by **humdinger** » 11 Feb 2007, 00:44

Sri CML...if you observe the lyrics both tam & telugu, the word 'mohana' occurs in both of them...and exactly at that point the song goes in to Vaasanthi. the word mohana is actually sung in vaasanti

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 11 Feb 2007, 02:59

Thanks folks. With the audio link provided by Lakshman I am getting to understand this lovely raagam thogh it could never be a competition to Mohanam. I believe this is a janya of maararanjani, right?

Umesh · Post by **Umesh** » 11 Feb 2007, 04:40

O.S. Arun has recently tuned the ashtapadi "Priye Charusheele" in vasanti... I had never really listened the ragam before and this song made me fall in love with it.

kmrasika · Post by **kmrasika** » 12 Feb 2007, 07:09

One more song in vAsanti (I understand it's also called vasavanti by some) is kUvuvAy kuyilE kuyilE by smt. suguNA purushottaman.

pallavi.pr · Post by **pallavi.pr** » 07 Mar 2007, 15:58

Mayil Meedhu is a composition of Arunagirinathar.
The pen name "Arunagiri" appears towards the end.

vageyakara · Post by **vageyakara** » 09 Apr 2007, 18:25

Hallo every one , My composition in this ragaa Vasanthi "BROVAKAYUNDUTA NYAAYAMAA
PAAVANA SRIRAGHU KULA SAARVA
BHOWMAA (NANNU)"
The above kriti too was in compliance withthe request by
the legendy Sri volety garu
Ref:www.karnarnatik.com
Ramaraj

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 09 Apr 2007, 20:17

Thanks brother Ramraj!
I did listen to your composition. The raga bhava is very clear and quite nice! Again interesting context of composition. Did Voletigaaru ever try to render the composition or in this raga?

Would somebody post the translation of Sri Ramraj's Telugu Composition? Certainly this should be added to Lakshman's list. Thanks

vageyakara · Post by **vageyakara** » 11 Apr 2007, 10:02

Hallo CM Lover, I have posted the the conceptual meaning for the Kriti in Vaasanthi
The conceptual meaning of vaasanthi raga kriti(brovaka yundata Nyaayamaa)

Pallavi: Oh ! Raama (Raghukula Saarvabhaumaa !!
Is it fair (on your part) to remain unmindful
Of my plea to protect me ?
A., Pallavi

idâ€™nt I deem the the Daasyamaana Bhakti of
HANUMAAN(the SUPREME Musician/ and a person of few
and selective sweet words) is superior than the SUPEREMO
HIMSELF !!
Caranam :Areâ€™nt You aware of my conviction that the
Fruits are all due to my previous bhirthâ€™s penance,
Which includes the very thought of your lotus feet
And the one derived from dedicating my musical out-pourings
Thruâ€™ the melody of Vaasanthi,endearing to fill the
Discerning ears.Donâ€™t u still feel it fit to protect me ?

Ramaraj

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 11 Apr 2007, 10:21

Very nice dear Ramraj!
Beautiful lyric and beautiful raga beautifully rendered by you. I hope our musically inclined Rasikas will practice it and render it. Knowing the meaning will improve the bhaaavam of presentation.

Thank you very much!

prashanthi515 · Post by **prashanthi515** » 11 Apr 2007, 13:20

hallo ramaraj sir,
I really felt extatic even as iwas listening to your rendering the in Vaasanthi.And after finding the Bhavm ridden lyric, tears started rolling down my cheeks.Believe me Sir ! Many many pranaams to you sir.Imust also thank CM LOVER FOR MOTIVATING to bring the Saahityam's meaning posted in the forum
Prashanthi

vageyakara · Post by **vageyakara** » 11 Apr 2007, 15:31

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saadhyaa · Post by **saadhyaa** » 07 May 2007, 15:40

Dear

Can any one throw light on the Raaga Vaasanthi.....?

Thanks

Saadhyaa

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 07 May 2007, 15:43

see here

http://rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=2082

I will shortly be clubbing the 2 threads.

saadhyaa · Post by **saadhyaa** » 08 May 2007, 10:46

dear drshrikaanth

thanks and only the best for the links.....

saadhyaa

Sam Swaminathan · Post by **Sam Swaminathan** » 09 May 2007, 04:46

humdinger wrote:I am sorry if you feel its sacrilegeous to mention Ilayaraja in a classical music thread...but i just couldnt resist sharing it.

IMHO, this is totally not needed....as I, and many others as well, feel that people like Ilayaraja and other music directors have done yeoman service by stringing out songs in classical ragas thereby creating a sense of awarness in many a "non-classical" music lovers...if in this process, even a microscopic minority of these people are going to shift to classical music, then carnatic music will be that much richer!

Cheers

Sam

gobilalitha · Post by **gobilalitha** » 30 Sep 2007, 18:42

is hindustani kalaavati related to janasammodhini? Ravishankar has composed a song "haye re o ' in kalavati in the film ANURAADHA, it is rumored that RAVI SHANKAR WHOIS SUPPOSED TO HAVE CREATED KALAAVATI GOT WILD WHEN SOMEBODY SAID THAT IT IT WAS DERIVED FROM JANASAMMODHINI GOBILALITHA

humdinger · Post by **humdinger** » 01 Oct 2007, 16:37

AFAIK, hindustani kalavati is same as carnatic "Valachi/Valaji"

S G P D N S
S N D P G S

matterwaves · Post by **matterwaves** » 03 Oct 2007, 04:05

There is a popular Kanadasa Kriti "Eesha ninna charana bhajane', which is sung most beautifully by those identifying themselves with rudrapatnam school(RK Srikantan, MS Sheela)..
"Govinda ninna namave chanda", as popu;arised by santanam is infact janasammodini. Its is Vasanthi plus kaishika nishada..its a kinda hybrid of vasanti and valachi