Help! Can't find enough music to fill my Micro SD chip!!!!!

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Rsachi
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Help! Can't find enough music to fill my Micro SD chip!!!!!

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Ie a factor of 1000 times growth in nine years.

What will happen by 2021? Assume just 100 times growth...

10 TB!!!???

100 artistes, 100 concerts each, 100 MB audio per concert = 1 TB!
200 artistes, 100 concerts each, 500 MB video per concert = 10 TB!

Help, need more music to fill my mobile phone micro SD chip, please.....

varsha
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give me a micro sd of128 gb
take 128 gb music free

give 1tb .........
take 1tb music free
offer closes today :-@

Purist
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I fear if consumerism is making inroads to classical music :-s . Anything in excess is a percusor for waning interest.
Does technology advancement take us to saturation point to soon? :-\ Serious issue to ponder.

Ponbhairavi
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has any calculation been made as to how many hours it would take to listen to one tb of music

Rsachi
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Ponbhairavi, that's why I posted this bit :-)

I did a back of envelope calc and stopped long back collecting music. I prefer to listen online even in Sangeethapriya...

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A thumb rule to use is 20 hours of audio per gig, give or take some.

When the marginal cost of distribution and storage approaches zero, several things become possible. Think beyond audio. Think 4K video of a concert, multiple angles of camera ( probably not for CM ) etc. All of that can quickly eat up space. A case in point about what happens when the marginal cost goes to zero is the recent example of how people use whatsapp. Since the marginal cost of sending text, photo and video is zero, people use it a lot more. You can send daily photographs and videos of a child growing up to a group of family members. The video of the first crawl of the baby, the video of the child's first valiant attempt to sit down, stand up and that delightful facial expression on the child's face when it first tastes something sweet.. That is all tremendous increases in quality of life for everyone involved. The technology will continue to bloom, we will find enough ways to make use of them. We are no where near saturation point, rather we are at the beginning. We just have not yet imagined the possibilities.

One real issue related to storage is, the backup solutions are not keeping pace with it. The backing up record of the general populace out there is quite abysmal ( even mine who should know better ).
People will be quite sad if their smartphone crashes and they do not have another copy of the photos and videos of their children. I guess if you have whatsapp'd them, you can ask your family members to send them back to you!

The moral of all this is, get a few of these high density micro SD cards, copy all your digital content to them, keep one copy in your house and keep another copy elsewhere. And periodically refresh them as the content changes. I know most people would not do that but we can strive for it. It is still not cheap enough for everyone to do it but that stage is only a few years away. Then we will not have the excuse that the storage costs are high.

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VKM,
I am on the cusp of acquiring a 4K video mobile phone.

You can auto backup to DropBox music,photos etc, from multiple devices. I still have some 100 GB cloud space acquired free of cost. I have also managed to avoid losing tracks or photos for >12 years...

The best way to back up according to me is to have 3TB external drives with backup/restore functions and drive everything through one "mother" computer.
I don't think having multiple microSD cards works for me because removing them and putting new ones often into your phone is a hassle. Also a 120GB micro SD card to copy into a hard drive via microUSB/PC will take many hours......

Finally whether you eat the best food or run the best kitchen at home doesn't depend on the size of your fridge, right?

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Post by vasanthakokilam »

Wow, Sachi, that is cool.

I figured you would be doing those things being proficient in such things. Situation is dire for the vast majority of people.

Anyway, you did not start this thread to talk about the dry topic of backups but relevant to your topic, if people have song 1T or two like what Varsha mentions, it is now possible to store them in a solid state medium at a reasonable cost, thus preserving them with much less chance of any corruption or failure to read etc. that plagues other media from time to time. But people can wait for a year or so, then solid state disks in 1 TB range will become affordable enough for this purpose.

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Post by venkatakailasam »

I am having a doubt..What will one do with so much of music..

I am having 865 GB of music.....I am not a able to hear even 5% of music daily

with all available time in the world...

Rsachi
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SanDisk on Wednesday unveiled the Optimus MAX, a Serial Attached SCSI (SAS) solid state drive (SSD) and supposedly the first of its kind to offer a whopping 4TB of capacity. The selling point to enterprise customers is that the Optimus MAX achieves a capacity point that outpaces today's highest-capacity 2.5-inch 10K and 15K RPM SAS mechanical hard drives, thereby making it a trule replacement for legacy mission-critical data center SAS HDDs.

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Our generation has seen it all . In the previous one , my Dad used to recall how the powerful image of a teacher in front of the world map by the side of the blackboard ( The map never changed position as far as he could remember) gave him an impression that north was up into the sky , south was deep into earth .East and west lay somewhere in between.
By the time he passed on , he was well into quantum physics with a totally different idea of his world .

The impact on our musical senses has been equally dramatic . Music collectons have moved on from being something to listen to in spare time to becoming a data base snap shot of a priceless piece of history .
Try dumping all your concerts into 1tb hardrive , pluck the songs from the concerts out of their folders ( taking care to tag the composer , singer , name of song etc ) , delete the repetitions , store them composerwise and you have a Viswaroop Darshan .Plug in the lyrics , commentaries / annotations from folks like VGV into each song and .......
Well I feel jealous of anyone below my age .There is so little time to catch up on the bigger picture .

In one sweep I can listen to a Bhairavi varnam , get the mood for the raga , drop into a lecture of Neela Ramgopal on the subject , take off with a lesson by voleti , have a peep at SR's lecture , while savouring A TSB beauty on the way .And add some Alankarams of ARS for effect .And on and on and on .
It used to be like a pocket dictionary , these collections. Moved on to becoming a Dictionary , then a Collins Cobuild variety and onto an Encyclopedia .....
And one has to bow in respect to the thousands of enthusiasts all over the world who have converted , tagged , shared this music and the nett result is a magnificent body of work , of which Sangeethapriya is a flag ship . That was an inflexion point , in my opinion . Not buckling down to the whims of a few current day musicians . And how wrong they were in pulling up some enthusiasts .

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Here's a simple calculation for the Audio part. With gigabytes going for peanuts these days, I prefer to convert my cassettes into 320 kBps mp3 audio for the high quality (It's a huge difference from the old 128 KBps I was following 5 years ago). That means 1 minute = 2.34 MB.

Therefore 1TB = 1048576 MB which equates to = 448109 minutes and 24 seconds = 7468 hrs 29 minutes 24 seconds (exact). Ok. 7468 and a half hours. For the record, if a concert lasts approximately 2.5 hours (today's average) that's 2987 concerts! For a cassette that lasts only 60 min, that requires 7469 cassettes total ! If the bit rate were as low as some of the recordings on Sangeethamshare (64 kBps), then multiply everything above by 5x. That's 14935 concerts!

Note : There are only 8760 hours in 365 days. So your 1TB will have to play 24 hours non-stop for most of the year before it's done. B-)

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And one has to bow in respect to the thousands of enthusiasts all over the world who have converted , tagged , shared this music and the nett result is a magnificent body of work , of which Sangeethapriya is a flag ship . That was an inflexion point , in my opinion . Not buckling down to the whims of a few current day musicians . And how wrong they were in pulling up some enthusiasts .
Hear, hear!

Dr M G Narmada, a leading violinist of the Parur tradition, was gracious enough to acknowledge this in a long panel discussion at IGCAS which was telecast on DD Bharati. I can vouch that musicians, including the obstructionists, have been the principal beneficiaries of this munificence over at least six decades. I can see the insecurities felt by active concert circuit artistes about their music being made available for free almost live around the world. At the same time access to archives and encyclopedic data bases is a boon that only we in the 21st century can boast of or at least dream of.

Here's a lateral thought .. What if each serious CM rasika donates 0.5% of his net income towards collecting (paying royalties) and archiving such a database? If there were 10K rasikas and each gave say 5K Rs per year that would be 50 M Rs per year!!!
I would think even 5 M Rs per year is a worthwhile number.

That means, folks, the Terabytes are taken care of for me by a common body.., I pay an access fee <5K per year for endless CM immersive experience.

It's a mind-blowing thought.

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Here is another lateral thought .
If I had known that this would be coming , I could have avoided spending on 4000 carefully-crafted tapes and built a house next door to you in Indiranagar. :) [-x
But that is life .
Sthavarakke Azhivuntu Jangamakkey Azhivilla.
btw the tapes are on offer for free

Rsachi
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Varsha
Your presence will make Indiranagar even more beautiful. Please come. Send the tapes only if you bring along a tape deck.. I gave away mine long back :-(

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I am curious as to how folks who post radio concerts on sangeethapriya are doing it now. Is it the old fashioned way of recording on a tape and then digitizing it on a PC or do standalone FM tuners exist that are attached to solid state devices so the music gets converted on the fly to mp3 and split automatically before being stored?

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Sridhar,
Current radio programs can be directly recorded in WAV or MP3 format etc. Thus can be done on ipod type of devices or S computer.
Same way, if there exists an old tape, it is played and the audio output is digitised by the same type of software as does the online radio recording. At least that's how I do it.
Tagging tracks etc has to be manually done before upload.

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I am not sure ipod can record straight to mp3 (does it even have a tuner?) - doesn't wav take up a lot of space? I came across devices such as the following, but these are very expensive and am not sure available in India
http://www.amazon.com/CWTPL-Witness-Dig ... m+recorder
I can only think of having an fm tuner card on good old desktop PC. I am afraid I don't understand what you mean by "S Computer"

Rsachi
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Sridhar
Iapps e a Walkman with FM tuner and Wav recording. I paid less than Rs 4K.
I have an ipod with Mike attachment which takes line input from EP out from any radio. I have seen FM tuners for ipod.
Android has many apps like radio record.
Yes a computer with audacity can line record an FM radio EP output.
In other words I have used at least a dozen different combos over the years.
The Walkman Wav file sizes are reasonable.

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wow, lots of low priced technology solutions available in India now. I have been blind.
I have this item in my cart for a while now.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002GH ... PDKIKX0DER
I want to digitize my boxes full of tapes that I have accumulated over the past three decades. I have a chromebook that I want to dual boot in ubuntu and then run auadacity on it to do the recording from my old tape deck. Just have't gotten around to it yet. too many media sources and too little time to listen. My father-in-law would never be interested in these media, even if we buy a handful of tapes/CDs and shove them into his hands. He had to have his fix by only attending live concerts. I think I may slowly turn into this.

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You need the right cable from your tape deck out (line or headphone) to your mic input of your PC. Audacity and sound input settings allow hifi recordings.
We do it routinely for the Parvathi blog :-)

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Speaking of Flash storage, a 1TB pen drive already exists ... but it costs almost as much as a premium laptop.

http://www.amazon.com/Kingston-DataTrav ... B00E65QM8O

Rsachi
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On the other hand, at Rs 5499, this is a lovely choice: 1 TB portable HD
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Second that totally. HDD is good enough to play music. I mean...Just imagine losing a tiny 1 TB pen drive, what to speak of a SD card smaller than a coin.

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Rsachi wrote:Here's a lateral thought .. What if each serious CM rasika donates 0.5% of his net income towards collecting (paying royalties) and archiving such a database? If there were 10K rasikas and each gave say 5K Rs per year that would be 50 M Rs per year!!!
This is an interesting thought. I am willing to give this a shot in building this archive. To realize this
1. How many people / rasikas are willing to pay say not Rs. 5 K p.a but say Rs 2 K per yr ?
2. How do get artists ( inc accompanying artists ) or their legal heirs to support this / give permission

Would like to hear thoughts from the rasikas on this forum on above and if they think that is would be a worthwhile initiative

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I am prepared to do a conjoint marketing study in this unique forum rasikas.org!

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Awesome ! You have my full support

Rsachi
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Will you pay for a statistical analysis project using Sawtooth software? I can get a quote.
The experiment design can be done by you and me with some inputs, the survey will be done online here, analysis needs a licenced tool.

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yes , in principle. Hope reasonable. Assuming not planning to buy the software ?

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No. Let's talk offline.

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