Carnatica bros@Atlanta

rajani80 · Post by **rajani80** » 05 Apr 2007, 06:37

Venue : Camaga at Hindu temple
Date : March 31 st

Vocal:Carnatica bros
Violin : Nagai Sriram l

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 05 Apr 2007, 07:12

March or April 31st?

harimau · Post by **harimau** » 05 Apr 2007, 09:03

arasi wrote:April 31st?

Actually, February 31st.

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 05 Apr 2007, 09:20

arasi
May be April 30th certainly not April 31st , did you get out of jet lag

mohan · Post by **mohan** » 05 Apr 2007, 09:38

March 31st
See http://www.ipnatlanta.net/camaga/

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 05 Apr 2007, 19:47

Oops, Rajesh! You are right! I merely thought, why post a concert info after the event? It wasn't a review, afterall. So I thought the month was April...

sramaswamy · Post by **sramaswamy** » 05 Apr 2007, 22:25

Venue - Hindu Temple of Atlanta, Riverdale, GA
Date - Sat. Mar. 31, 4 pm

Vocal - Carnatica Brothers
Violin - Nagai Sriram
Mridangam - Tanjore Murugabhoopathy

Song List
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1) Vanajakshi Varnam - kalyAni
2) teliyalEru rAma - Dhenuka
3) Manasa Etulo - malayamArutham
4) shrI venkaTEsha nA manavi in phalamanjari - Patnam Subramanya Iyer
5) Divakara Tanujam - YadhukulaKambodhi
6) nIvADanE gAna - saaranga
7) varaSikhivAhana - Supradheepa - Thyagaraja
8) Pallavi - Shanmukhapriya, Rathipathipriya, Vasanthi(violin), Pashupathipriya
9) Ini Enna Pechu - Padam in Tamil - Sahana
10) Narayana - SuddhaDhanyasi
11) rAma nAmamE tudi(?) - Desh
12) Govardhana Girisham
13) Manane
14) Ashtalakshmi Namosthuthe - Sri, Nattai, khamas, Gowlai, ?, malayamArutham, Varali, Kedaram --Chitravina Shri Ravikiran

Carnatic Brothers kicked off the music season at Atlanta. I do not have much music knowledge. So my comments are going to be purely as an ordinary listener. Shashikiran would announce many of the ragas after the song. As you see quite a few rare ragas in the list. The music I felt flowed very smoothly at the same pace through out. There were no occasions of sudden burst of energy that happens in some concerts. There were not many Alapanais. I remember the one for Yadhukulakambodhi. I liked the swarams sung after Teliyalenu Rama. Many times Shashikiran sang at one octave lower. The effect was very good. The ninth item Padam in Sahana was a tribute to Muktamma. Finally they ended with a Ashtalakshmi mangalam. It was nice concert overall. This week the action is all at Cleveland.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 05 Apr 2007, 22:29

Thanks for keeping the rasikas posted. Some corrections

2) Teliyalenu Rama - Dhenuka >> teliyalEru rAma

4) Sri Venkatesa - Kalamanjari -

Is this phalamanjari?

6) Neerade Negana - saaranga >> nIvADanE gAna

7) Varasiddhi Vahana - Supradheepa >>> varaSikhivAhana

sramaswamy · Post by **sramaswamy** » 05 Apr 2007, 22:47

4) Sri Venkatesa - Kalamanjari -

Is this phalamanjari?

Possible that I might have assumed the more convenient word. The CDs of the concert come out normally in few weeks. I can confirm the songs I left out at that time

And also, how could I have forgetten the violin? Jasso, the local violinist is never going to forgive me for that. It was absolutely wonderful throughout. He got a bigger applause than the vocalist many a times. The piece he played during the pallavi (Vasanthi(?)) in particular was extraordinarily good. He played this ragam after the brothers sang Rathipathipriya. I am normally used to violinist following and playing the same ragam that the vocalist just sang. But this time Nagai Sriram picked a ragam of his own. Is that something that happens or is it because he was not familiar with the ragam vocalist sang(?)

I dont know much about mridangam playing so I am not able to write my commentis on that

nivedita · Post by **nivedita** » 05 Apr 2007, 23:03

4) Sri Venkatesa - Kalamanjari -

Is this phalamanjari?

Yes, shrI venkaTEsha nA manavi in phalamanjari.

The dEsh composition was probably rAma nAmamE tudi.

13, I'm guessing, was manamE kaNamum maravAdE in bhImplAs

Ashtalakshmi Namostute is a composition of Chitravina Shri Ravikiran.

I am normally used to violinist following and playing the same ragam that the vocalist just sang. But this time Nagai Sriram picked a ragam of his own. Is that something that happens or is it because he was not familiar with the ragam vocalist sang(?)

The brothers usually ask the violinist to play a different ragam.

sramaswamy · Post by **sramaswamy** » 06 Apr 2007, 00:02

Thanks DRS, Nivedita. I have edited the songlist. Nivedita, I have left out the Maname. .. song correction as I am not sure about that.

rajani80 · Post by **rajani80** » 07 Apr 2007, 02:11

Dear Ramaswamy
Thanks to you for completing the song list and your views. I am sorry could'nt complete my posting since this week has been extremely hectic workwise. However, I beg to differ in some of my views on the concert. The concert was exceptionally good and got a standing ovation and the entire team did well. The song list was a nice blend of popular and rare kritis and ragas and lasted for about 3 and half hours. The brothers balanced the manodharma part very well too. The pathantara was very good and the highlights were the renditions of Varashiki vahana, Sri Venkatesha and a rhythmically tight pallavi in shanmukhapriya though in chaturasra gati tirputa talam. The ragamalika was in priya ragas but the violinist played vaasanthi. The kalyani Varnam set the tone up beautifully teliyaleru in Dhenuka was rendered in Semmangudi style with kalpanaswaras. A short raga sketch of mlayamrutham was done by Shashikiran folloed by Manasa with niraval and swaras at charanam. Swaras for phalamanjri were short and sweet and did leave the violinist struggling till the brothers indicated the arohana and avarohana. Ganesh's Yadukulakambhoji was extremely classical and Shashikiran's Shanmukhapriya was superb both in ragam and tanam. The niravals were crisp. The kalpanaswaras were a nice blend of kanakkus and sarvalaghu. The pratiloma and other rhythmic variations including khanda nadai and tisra swaras were accurate. The intellectual side of the concert was as good as the emotive side. Mridangam by Murugaboopathy was soothing. Nagai Sriram's responses were very good but I don think your view that he seemingly outshone the vocalists is correct. The brothers have a very good range o almost 3 octaves. Shashikiran sang in the lower registers only occasionally during songs and it was very soothing. Shashikiran announced the sahana padam as a tribute to Mukta amma. Their tukkadas were catchy too and they sang Rangarajan's Camaga treasurer's favourite number Narayana. All in all this concert was a very successful one for its team effort, good selection of songs and definitely the variations in the tempo of the pieces they rendered as well. Waiting to get the copy of the recording. Gayathri Girish is scheduled to perform on the 15th April at Camaga. Looking forward to another exciting pallavi. By the way a got a navagraha kritis CD rendered by the brothers at the stall. A real treat to Dikshitar fans. Though the quality I not as great as regular Commerial album.

shreekrishna · Post by **shreekrishna** » 07 Apr 2007, 02:33

A few points -

Yadukula kAmbhOji started off with a good AlApanam by Ganesh. However, the song was a mess. It was evidently devoid of involvement and a bit faster than should've been. The most sorry part were the kalpanA swarams. It was demeaning the rAgam, and the swarams were very very repetitive. That spoilt the entire beauty of the piece.

Also, there were hardly any niravals in the concert. That was disappointing.

The choice of the rAgams for rAgamAlika swarams in the pallavi were outrageous ridiculous. Wonder what they were fishing at! Sriram's vAsanti was the saving grace there.

Much as the concert was decent overall, the ornamentalism in the concert was very easily perceptible. The brothers were found wanting in Bhakti and bhAvam bigtime.

However, the RTP was brilliantly executed, albeit well rehearsed. Sriram's tAnam stood out tall. Shashikiran's tAnam, on the flip side, was mediocre. The math of the RTP fitted in well, and it ended up being very wholesome.

Percussion - Murugabhoopathy was average and his tani Avartanam was dull.

On the whole - 5 on 10. I could've thought of at least 100 ways to spend the evening better.

chalanata · Post by **chalanata** » 07 Apr 2007, 12:40

very balanced review. congrats shreekrishna!

rajani80 · Post by **rajani80** » 07 Apr 2007, 16:47

The review of Shreekrishna is far from being balanced for the listeners of the concert though he is entitled to have them I beg to differ on following grounds.

1) Niravals for 2 pieces in a concert malayamarutham song and the RTP, which also had a tisram round was more than reaonable. Most concerts have niraval for not more than two pieces.

2) Diwakara tanujam seems to be sung quite often by the brothers and I thought they did a decent job. However, Shreekrishna can replace Greg Chappel and give a few tips about their attitude and involvement. The swarams were hardly repetitive except for the key phrases in ragas like yadukulakambhoji. It seemed like the submain piece, so why not have kalpanaswaras? Anyways each one to their one taste.
3)Ragas for the ragamalika were rediculous is Shreekrishna's call.
Sad he could' t follow a thematic effort. What was Sriram trying to achieve in a thematic pallavi though his Vaasanti was quite pleasing. Shashikiran's Ratipatipriya was well received and impressive but Ganesh's Pashupatipriya was more challenging and well executed.
4) Pallavi was well rehearsed. Shreekrishna as a coach monitered the rehearsals I guess. Just because an artist does a perfect job in presentation, how can we come to these kinds of conclusion. The tanam of Shashikiran was definitely of high standards. Hope someone can get to post the recording. Again, it was intellectual too having various gati variations in a tanam and yet maintaining the basic madhyamakalam.
5) The bhakti was missing in the renditions....
The brothers should take to namasankirtanams or Harikatha.
6) I perfectly would agree with Shreekrishna on his last point that he should have been spending the evening elsewhere, his mind wandering in hundreds of places during a concert. God knows what to do with the involvement and bhakti of rasikas like him.

My aim is not to pick on him. We need to let the artists without a preset mind. I am hapy CAMAGA has chosen to bring artists like Carnatica brothers and Gayatri Girish and hope more young and new artists would be featured. It is great to listen to the TMKs and Sanjays but we should get to listen to the others. I felt nothing lacking in the bhakti aspect as well since they seemed to present even songs like Narayana with the words being split at the right places projected the sahitya bhava. Murugaboopathy played a short tani but was extremely good in his understanding with the brothers during compositions and I guess that is more important to me as a listener.

bagayanaiya · Post by **bagayanaiya** » 08 Apr 2007, 05:59

I beg to differ from Rajani80's response. Here are some I think are also relevant.

1) TeliyalEru rAma: Nice rendition topped with good set of svaras

2) DivAkara tanujam: Rendition fine. A slower tempo could have brought out the grandess of the kRti. It looked like Shashikiran was not prepared for the svaras when Ganesh started off as the former was about to conclude the song. The exercise did turn up to be futile with the brothers coming up with nothing but "s r m...g m p...p d s p". The absence of nishAda in all their exercise was stark! Dont know why they eschewed this svara totally! ( I would like to know why though?)

3) RTP - AlApana by Shashikiran was brilliant and expansive. The tAnam was, unfortunately, a let-down from build-up given by the vocalist and violinist. Midway into the tAnam, Shriram took the tAnam to great heights while shashikiran was scratching the surface of ShhaNmukhapriya, in vain, I must add! As mentioned before, Pallavi was good! However, I couldn't but notice, Ganesh somehow provided breathtaking gamakas and ornamentations where as Shashikiran was very plain!!

4) After the RTP, Shashikiran's voice showed effects of strain and could not sing that effectively as before. In addition to selling CDs on voice control, the brothers (especially shashikiran) must practice VC religiously! Just 2 1/2 hours into the concert, and his vocal chords show strain!

Although they present the concert together, on that day, Ganesh's music emerged more soothing, pleasing and bhAva-laden than shashikiran's with the latter being plain (unable to provide the musical nuances in the form of gamakas as well as in the sphere of manOdharma!)

In conclusion, although I must not make this comparison, I think that Ganesh is more capable of the two and deserves the attention the brothers receive. Shashikiran just laps up the limelight, which he does not deserve! He should return to more bhava-laden singing and do enough homework for that!

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shruthi · Post by **shruthi** » 08 Apr 2007, 20:02

The absence of nishAda in all their exercise was stark! Dont know why they eschewed this svara totally! ( I would like to know why though?)

divAkara tanujam's pallavi does not have N at all. And in other places, the swara is used in very few prayogas. The raga uses a lot of pdSp. So it is not necessary that the kalpana swarams should have N.

If you do not find bhavam in Shashikiran's singing and if what you've written here is really how you feel, I'd sincerely advise you to take classes in music appreciation yourself.

rajani80 · Post by **rajani80** » 08 Apr 2007, 21:16

Shruthi, well said though it is not purposeful to explain why some artists are in the lime light. Giving them advice on how to practise is way too much and in bad taste. If the concert was that bad, why did someone have to put up with it for 3 1/2 hrs? I have been hearing their navagraha Cd daily. Diwakara and Buddhamasrayami are my favourites. The alapana for nattaikurinji by Shashikiran, will be a good music appreciation course material, I guess. I have nothing to say about some of views here except that it sounds more like personal mudslinging. For all those who were with me in the concert, they sounded energetic till the mangalam and Shashikiran' padam rendition will beyond doubt certify the gamaka music, having the benefit of learning from Muktaamma I suppose. With regards to their stamina, we must be kidding, since their profile says, they performed 24 hrs non-stop. Wonder how many of us can even sit 24 hrs to listen, foget about trying to sing. Shashikiran' s voice sounds deep and has a rich base, whereas Ganesh's is softer and is more high-pitched. They blend well and together cover 3 octaves,and are almost good in 21/2 octaves independently. No comparisons musically. I feel Sahshikiran's mathematics is awesome and Ganesh does more sarvalaghu. Shashikiran' profile and achievements are so exhaustive and richly deserves the acclaim he has. Ganesh and Sriram are equally great. And these comparisons are totally uncalled for as far as I am concerned. My kids like their mannerisms too and after TMk's music they are now awestruck with the brother's music.
I simply loved the rhythmic variations in the tanam too and wonder whether some of them who have reported here were listening to the same concert. The gati variations and the bhava in pallavi niraval was awesome too. Hopefully the CD should be available by 15th April when Gayathri Girish is scheduled to sing. And I also hope the artists will upload some music onlne in their website.

Jigyaasa · Post by **Jigyaasa** » 09 Apr 2007, 17:32

Could some1 explain what the funda behind the choice of ragas in the RTP is(if there's one)?

pallavi.pr · Post by **pallavi.pr** » 10 Apr 2007, 11:29

Hi,

I dont think there's really any funda behind the choice of the raaga for an RTP. It's totally upto the individual. Apart from the Ghana (Heavy) raagas like Thodi, Shankaraabharanam etc. artistes are exploring raagas like kamalaa manohari, hamsanandhi etc. What's more important here is however simple or tough the raaga is, it is how the artiste explores the nuances and raaga bhaava to bring out the best from the raaga that matters!

Everybody, do put in your thoughts on this!

Jigyaasa · Post by **Jigyaasa** » 11 Apr 2007, 18:02

Err... My question was the funda behind the ragas employed in THIS particular Pallavi, not pallavi's in general

nivedita · Post by **nivedita** » 11 Apr 2007, 18:34

Funda: They're ragas ending with 'priya'. I thought that was obvious.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 11 Apr 2007, 20:44

I heard Ranjani and Gayatri going the same route recently: ranjani, and various ranjani ending rAgAs like sri ranjani, siva ranjani etc...

ramakriya · Post by **ramakriya** » 11 Apr 2007, 23:38

8) Pallavi - Shanmukhapriya, Rathipathipriya, Vasanthi(violin), Pashupathipriya

Then was that really vAsanti - That breaks the flow of priya rAgas. Doesn't it?

May be vAsanti has an alternate name ending with priya ?

-Ramakriya

pallavi.pr · Post by **pallavi.pr** » 12 Apr 2007, 12:11

Jigyaasa...

Thx Nivedhitha, ramakriya..

bhaktha · Post by **bhaktha** » 12 Apr 2007, 12:28

rajani80 wrote:. My kids like their mannerisms too and after TMk's music they are now awestruck with the brother's music.

Some light on this? I found it rather interesting.
-bhaktha

ksrimech · Post by **ksrimech** » 12 Apr 2007, 23:11

ramakriya wrote:May be vAsanti has an alternate name ending with priya ?

-Ramakriya

Lets name it vasanthapriya so that it completes the cycle.

shreekrishna · Post by **shreekrishna** » 14 Apr 2007, 11:33

rajani80 wrote:
The review of Shreekrishna is far from being balanced for the listeners of the concert though he is entitled to have them I beg to differ on following grounds.
Well, you don't have to beg. You might as well just differ

1) Niravals for 2 pieces in a concert malayamarutham song and the RTP, which also had a tisram round was more than reaonable. Most concerts have niraval for not more than two pieces.
Oh, C'mon! RTP HAS to have a niraval by definition. Show me ONE quality concert with ONE non-RTP niraval, with its duration as short as theirs. The niraval certainly lacked quality.

2) Diwakara tanujam seems to be sung quite often by the brothers and I thought they did a decent job.
True. It was just 'decent'. No big bloopers. But divAkara tanujam is amongst the grandest krithis in the rAgam (along with others like amba kAmAkShi). Their 'decent' job was not 'grand'. It was 'decent'.

However, Shreekrishna can replace Greg Chappel and give a few tips about their attitude and involvement.
(i) Greg Chapel is giving them tips on involvement currently, is he ?
(ii) Why don't you replace me for my PhD, Rajani80 ? I'll gladly do what you seem to want to suggest.

The swarams were hardly repetitive except for the key phrases in ragas like yadukulakambhoji.
Dear friend, Y'kAmbhOji is what it is thanks to the key phrases. If you repeat the key phrases, what is left not to repeat ?

It seemed like the submain piece, so why not have kalpanaswaras?
Sure thing. I never said it shouldn't, but justice should be done to the rAgam. It seemed like the submain; it was not; in fact, it was far from it.

Anyways each one to their one taste.
Thanks! I feel obliged.

3)Ragas for the ragamalika were rediculous is Shreekrishna's call.
Sad he could' t follow a thematic effort. What was Sriram trying to achieve in a thematic pallavi though his Vaasanti was quite pleasing. Shashikiran's Ratipatipriya was well received and impressive but Ganesh's Pashupatipriya was more challenging and well executed.
Thematic ? What was the theme ? All rAgas ending in 'priya' ? "Fat" theme. *huh* vAsanti was exceptional; no doubts. In fact, Sriram was brilliant throughout, no denying at all. Much as their efforts to sing the two priyas is to be appreciated, I only said that they could have very well done without singing them - even Shanmukhapriya alone would've been a great pallavi.

4) Pallavi was well rehearsed. Shreekrishna as a coach monitered the rehearsals I guess. Just because an artist does a perfect job in presentation, how can we come to these kinds of conclusion. The tanam of Shashikiran was definitely of high standards. Hope someone can get to post the recording. Again, it was intellectual too having various gati variations in a tanam and yet maintaining the basic madhyamakalam.
ALL artistes rehearse pallavis. I was appreciating the innovation when I said the pallavi was well rehearsed. It is not easy to plan a pallavi. But perhaps, then again, you aren't able to differentiating between an appreciation and a negative feedback. Shashikiran's tAnam was strictly mediocre. His voice was wearing out and he was not able to get the tAnam coherently enough. Yeah, you should get the recording. Let's meet up once you get it. I will point out evidences to support my claims.

5) The bhakti was missing in the renditions....
The brothers should take to namasankirtanams or Harikatha.
Good idea actually. Just that, you are not suggesting to the right person.

6) I perfectly would agree with Shreekrishna on his last point that he should have been spending the evening elsewhere, his mind wandering in hundreds of places during a concert. God knows what to do with the involvement and bhakti of rasikas like him.
Thanks! Please teach him how to appreciate Bhakti better. I am open to reformation, if it is for the better.

My aim is not to pick on him.
Yeah, yeah, it's very evident May we you were trying to hatch an egg. However, my aim is "exactly" to pick on you - taste of your own medicine. Just that, I didn't stress to bring out Chappel and others into this out of the blue. You can't counter-criticize without bringing names, can you, mine or Chappel's ? Try once!

We need to let the artists without a preset mind.
I agree. I came into the concert with a good, open mind. The concert was off to a flier. Their dhEnuka was very very good, so was malayamArutam, as was the Y'kAmbhOji AlApanam. The pallavi was good, barring the rAgAs chosen for the rAgamAlika swarams. Then ? What's my crib ? divAkara tanujam, well, certainly very lack luster. Wonder if you've heard TNS or SSI sing it! Mail me. I'll send you a recording of SSI singing it. Then tell me about which one was better. Their swarams, accepted - no illegal phrases. But well, repetition of the "key phrases" (as you call it) is more than enough to make it look stale. The kalpanaswarams are about bringing out the diversity in the rAgam, and not to sing repetitive phrases.

Murugaboopathy played a short tani but was extremely good in his understanding with the brothers during compositions and I guess that is more important to me as a listener.
Well, the tani-avartanam was sad to say the least. That is one of the things that matters to me as a listener.

Summary - Viewpoints can differ. Don't you pick on people. If you can, be objective in your criticism. You could be a fan of the carnatica brothers. No issues at all. Just that I am a fan on the divine art in general, and I care little about who sings as long as the basic elements are well preserved and justice is done in whatever they sing. They are the "torchbearers" of the art, and many people will try and emulate these top artistes. That makes them "responsible" for more than just the concert. It is a tradition that were are talking about, which has to be passed on "chastely" and "untainted" to the next generation, keeping the elements of bhakti and bhAva untampered and intact. THAT is the aim of the stage - to promote and preserve art, not ornamentalism.

Finally, you could react to my points with more "picking on me". Please don't use the forum for that. Mail me personally if you wish to. We could have a healthy discussion.

Thanks for the response to my post, your views and your time.

Cheers,
Shreekrishna.

rajani80 · Post by **rajani80** » 14 Apr 2007, 20:46

Dear Shreekrishna
I respect this forum as much as any other music lover would and I would like to state that I am a fan of good Carnatic music as much as you would like to claim apart from also being a student of Dr. S.Ramanathan. I am a Phd in my own subject and don't need to replace your's. I have heard Semmangudi's version and also have heard a lot of music to know the qualitative differences. So don't try to say you are the rasikasironmani of this forum. You didn' like their rendition, so be it. I wasn't their fan till recently and now that I heard them, I am convinced that they do possess a very classical style and also have good manodharma and I am waiting to listen to other good artists too.
I know the difference between repititive and key phrases as a student of music and I still would like to say that the Pahupatipriya was awesome and Ratipatipriya was very good. Vaasanti did'nt fit in the catogory though it was good. Shashikiran's tanam had more scholarship then what you project and they did niraval for the pallavi in fact in 3 speeds if you didn't notice. slow chaturasram, tisram and then the double speed. they did pratiloma apart from the regular anuloma and their pallavi lasted for more than an hour. I haven't heard many people attempt all the variations they did for different eduppus in the pallavi during the kalpanaswarams with exceptions of the likes of TNS. Shashikiran' voice sounded fine to most of us with a deep resonance octaves for the most part of the concert. One or two phrases sounded a bit strained but not to the extent of what is projected here. At the end of the day we need to admit that the artists are humans and not robots perfoming. I am sure most artists are committed to what they have taken as a career. I saw that the brothers and the entire team was focused throughout the concert. And would again rate their concert as very good. I have no intentions of making this forum a place to argue with you. But I would like to remind you that others also have as much passion as you have and may be musically too are equally knowledgable if not more to voice their views. By airing out big names like Semmangudi you don't become a greater music lover. Most people writing in these forums have access and have heard enough music and that is why this forum is really popular. Comparing these artists with Semmngudi is not fair by any means. And they don't have to sing the way a Semmangudi sang. We need to give them enough years to evolve. Healthy discussions are fine as long as we can technically point out the details.
If this forum as meant only fo certain kinds of views this would be my last posting. Thankfully you are not the moderator.

shreekrishna · Post by **shreekrishna** » 15 Apr 2007, 05:08

rajani80 wrote:Dear Shreekrishna
I respect this forum as much as any other music lover would and I would like to state that I am a fan of good Carnatic music as much as you would like to claim apart from also being a student of Dr. S.Ramanathan. I am a Phd in my own subject and don't need to replace your's. I have heard Semmangudi's version and also have heard a lot of music to know the qualitative differences. So don't try to say you are the rasikasironmani of this forum. You didn' like their rendition, so be it. I wasn't their fan till recently and now that I heard them, I am convinced that they do possess a very classical style and also have good manodharma and I am waiting to listen to other good artists too.
I know the difference between repititive and key phrases as a student of music and I still would like to say that the Pahupatipriya was awesome and Ratipatipriya was very good. Vaasanti did'nt fit in the catogory though it was good. Shashikiran's tanam had more scholarship then what you project and they did niraval for the pallavi in fact in 3 speeds if you didn't notice. slow chaturasram, tisram and then the double speed. they did pratiloma apart from the regular anuloma and their pallavi lasted for more than an hour. I haven't heard many people attempt all the variations they did for different eduppus in the pallavi during the kalpanaswarams with exceptions of the likes of TNS. Shashikiran' voice sounded fine to most of us with a deep resonance octaves for the most part of the concert. One or two phrases sounded a bit strained but not to the extent of what is projected here. At the end of the day we need to admit that the artists are humans and not robots perfoming. I am sure most artists are committed to what they have taken as a career. I saw that the brothers and the entire team was focused throughout the concert. And would again rate their concert as very good. I have no intentions of making this forum a place to argue with you. But I would like to remind you that others also have as much passion as you have and may be musically too are equally knowledgable if not more to voice their views. By airing out big names like Semmangudi you don't become a greater music lover. Most people writing in these forums have access and have heard enough music and that is why this forum is really popular. Comparing these artists with Semmngudi is not fair by any means. And they don't have to sing the way a Semmangudi sang. We need to give them enough years to evolve. Healthy discussions are fine as long as we can technically point out the details.
If this forum as meant only fo certain kinds of views this would be my last posting. Thankfully you are not the moderator.

Rajani80, You seem to be "totally" missing my points - In my first post and in the last one. Please notice that I said that their pallavi was very good. Full marks to their planning and execution. Whenever did I deny anything there ? Talking of musical knowledge, it seem s to be you who wants to bring in your guru and all to display your "rasikaSirOmaNitvam". If you are a student of Dr Ramanathan, great! I will not bring in my guru's name to speak for me, though I could.

I see that our tastes of music differ, and I find no point pursuing an argument with you. But yeah, I didn't compare them with SSI. Back when I was in Madras, I heard a local teenage kid sing the same song in a junior concert. One couldn't stop being moved into a state of emotional tears, the way she rendered the song. She sang a lovely AlApanam, a slow krithi (slower than what the bros did, and actually the best speed), and put kalpanA swarams at "kAladaNDa paripIDita jaanum" and was to say the least, mesmerisingly exquisite.

We're all humans, accepted. I am not saying their concert was bad. It was indeed a good concert, but I was just disappointed with a few things, which could've made the concert better, and I pointed them out. Let's both remind ourselves that no one's bigger than the art. The question is not which of us is a better "rasikaSirOmaNi". The game is not to pick on others. The forum is for a healthy deliberation of the art. If you don't subscribe to my views, or I don't subscribe to yours, fine! Why do you have to drag "me" into the picture ? You refute my view, not me.

And let me quote your last few statements here -

By airing out big names like Semmangudi you don't become a greater music lover. Most people writing in these forums have access and have heard enough music and that is why this forum is really popular. Comparing these artists with Semmngudi is not fair by any means. And they don't have to sing the way a Semmangudi sang. We need to give them enough years to evolve. Healthy discussions are fine as long as we can technically point out the details.
If this forum as meant only fo certain kinds of views this would be my last posting. Thankfully you are not the moderator.

I have just one word to describe what I've quoted above - BS.

Cheers,
Shreekrishna.

harimau · Post by **harimau** » 15 Apr 2007, 06:31

shreekrishna wrote:I have just one word to describe what I've quoted above - BS.

Cheers,
Shreekrishna.

Shouldn't that be Shreekrishna, PhD (Piled higher and deeper)?

shreekrishna · Post by **shreekrishna** » 17 Apr 2007, 02:25

harimau wrote:
shreekrishna wrote:I have just one word to describe what I've quoted above - BS.

Cheers,
Shreekrishna.
Shouldn't that be Shreekrishna, PhD (Piled higher and deeper)?

Good one Harimau

Well, since PhD is not BS (pun intended), let's let it be BS itself

Pity I missed Gayatri Girish's concert yesterday, since I was 'piled higher and deeper'

List looks mind blowing