Sri.TVS @ Vishesha on 18.7.2015
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Sri.TVS @ Vishesha on 18.7.2015
Sri. TVS- Vittal Rangan- Tumkur Ravishankar- Amrit. @ Brigade Gardenia, Bangalore on 18.7.2015.
1. Virutham + Jaya Jaya Swamin- Nattai- Elaborate swaram
2. Sakala kalaa Vaniye saraNam thaaye- Kedaram- Swaram- Composition of Suddhananda bharathi (announced)
3. Darbar ragam outline- Mundhu Venuku
4. Elaborate kalyani ragam- (started from Sumeru)- Himaadri suthe paahimaam . N and S @ Shyama Krishna.
5. Bharayya -(started with thoraya)- Saveri
6. Entha Veduko-Saraswathi Manohari- N and S @ chintha deetsuta
7. Karaharapriya Main- (Started with Kaamini)- Raamaa neeyata- S @ dhana sowkya (No N)
8. Thani.
9. Sarasamukhi-Gowda malhaar- brief Swaram
10. Sevikka vendum aiyaa- Andolika - Swaram
11. Virutham 1: Karpooram naarumo- AandaL Nachiyaar Thirumozhi. Virutham 2: Nambane nayandre- Hamsaanandi- Periazhwar.
12.Venkatesa ninnu- Madhyamavathi
Dragging Vote of thanks.
13. Eppo varuvaaro - (No Notes)
14. Virutham- Maa marugaa mayil vaahana followed by eru mayil eri viLayaadumuham ondru- AruNagirinathar?
15. MangaLam.
Comments:
1. It is one of the truly fascinating concerts, I have ever attended. Commute time to hall was just over 1 hour because of thin traffic in Bangalore at that time! Worth every minute of it.
2. As usual the swaram of Nattai stamped his authority.
3. The song on Vani was partially for the organiser with that name. No secret was made of it ! The author, Suddhanandha Bharathi writes poetry which may not always be suitable for singing.
4. The heart of the entire evening was the Kalyani alapana. It cannot be described in words. It is such a standard ragam repeated a million times. But Sri.TVS brought such a meditative quality- pauses- gentle swivel movements- voice intensity control- you lose yourself - we forget Kalyani - Carnatic music- it is just an experience like sunrise, snowy mountains,... Yeah. It was beautiful and feel really lucky that I was there. I also have a memory of a Sankarabharanam by him, one more "common" raga - unforgettable. These are occasions when we get a glimpse of what elders talk about the greatness of these ragas. ( I was a victim of my discipline in not recording the concert clandestinely. I now feel that I should have done it and asked for his pardon later!!)
5. Many songs were started in anupallavi- I don't know why.
6. In Bharayya which I have heard him sing on several occasions, he elevated the song further by actually inviting the Lord with Kuzhaivu (softness). Very moving presentation.
6. Karaharapriya alapanai was less elaborate but nonetheless beautiful.
7. Swarams for everything. I could sense many new techniques. His standard phrases were reduced and emphasis was on slower, bhava laden phrases with silences in between, closer to MMI. Added beauty to his virtuosity.
8. The AndaaL virutham 1 is a love song, where she asks the Sangu (the conch held by the lord) to tell her the taste and smell of the Lord's mouth, as it has got the privilege of being in physical touch (kiss) with his lips. It is actually bordering on erotic IMHO. Sri.TVS gave an interesting twist at the end of the virutham, repeating "Sol"(tell) to the Lord- different Lord's names. He meant that AandaaL wants the sangu to tell the Lord about her love for him (something like doothu) !! Nice, although not aandaaL's intention.
9. Young Vittala Rangan needs special mention. He really shone today. To match Sri.TVS is no easy task especially in replies to swaraprasthaaraas. He could produce the complex patterns with ease and without any mistake. Got a deserving applause. I have been listening to him since he was a young boy. Except for his age, he fully deserves to be categorised as a senior vidwan. All the best for his continued growth and success.
10. Senior percussionists Tumkur Ravishankar and Amrit gave understanding support.
11. When Sri.TVS started off, I felt some kara karappu in his voice but it nearly cleared after the nattai swara blast. However I think the a/c of the hall was giving him some trouble, as he kept looking up at it but never complained or stopped his singing.
12. Recording in audio and video formats were prohibited. I think it is sad. Amateur personal recording for personal use can probably be allowed. For instance I feel that the glorious kalyani was a lost treasure. I had my mobile ready to make a crude recording. But could not implement the plan!!
13. The concert was dedicated to Sri.Bellary Venkateshachar who passed away recently.
14. The hall, ambience and sound were very good.
15. Full marks to the organisers Vishesha Fine Arts which is run by Smt. Vani Sateesh (herself a good vocalist and much sought after teacher of CM in Bangalore) and her husband Sri.Mysore Sateesh ( a senior manager in an MNC and also a trained violinist). There are also others involved, I think, Mys Bros and so on. Everything is done in a very sophisticated way. They deserve all support and appreciation. Thanks Vishesha for this concert. Hope to attend many more in your wonderful venue.
16. Disclaimer: The saahityam, etc., are written based on the tamil script and not on the language in which it is composed.
1. Virutham + Jaya Jaya Swamin- Nattai- Elaborate swaram
2. Sakala kalaa Vaniye saraNam thaaye- Kedaram- Swaram- Composition of Suddhananda bharathi (announced)
3. Darbar ragam outline- Mundhu Venuku
4. Elaborate kalyani ragam- (started from Sumeru)- Himaadri suthe paahimaam . N and S @ Shyama Krishna.
5. Bharayya -(started with thoraya)- Saveri
6. Entha Veduko-Saraswathi Manohari- N and S @ chintha deetsuta
7. Karaharapriya Main- (Started with Kaamini)- Raamaa neeyata- S @ dhana sowkya (No N)
8. Thani.
9. Sarasamukhi-Gowda malhaar- brief Swaram
10. Sevikka vendum aiyaa- Andolika - Swaram
11. Virutham 1: Karpooram naarumo- AandaL Nachiyaar Thirumozhi. Virutham 2: Nambane nayandre- Hamsaanandi- Periazhwar.
12.Venkatesa ninnu- Madhyamavathi
Dragging Vote of thanks.
13. Eppo varuvaaro - (No Notes)
14. Virutham- Maa marugaa mayil vaahana followed by eru mayil eri viLayaadumuham ondru- AruNagirinathar?
15. MangaLam.
Comments:
1. It is one of the truly fascinating concerts, I have ever attended. Commute time to hall was just over 1 hour because of thin traffic in Bangalore at that time! Worth every minute of it.
2. As usual the swaram of Nattai stamped his authority.
3. The song on Vani was partially for the organiser with that name. No secret was made of it ! The author, Suddhanandha Bharathi writes poetry which may not always be suitable for singing.
4. The heart of the entire evening was the Kalyani alapana. It cannot be described in words. It is such a standard ragam repeated a million times. But Sri.TVS brought such a meditative quality- pauses- gentle swivel movements- voice intensity control- you lose yourself - we forget Kalyani - Carnatic music- it is just an experience like sunrise, snowy mountains,... Yeah. It was beautiful and feel really lucky that I was there. I also have a memory of a Sankarabharanam by him, one more "common" raga - unforgettable. These are occasions when we get a glimpse of what elders talk about the greatness of these ragas. ( I was a victim of my discipline in not recording the concert clandestinely. I now feel that I should have done it and asked for his pardon later!!)
5. Many songs were started in anupallavi- I don't know why.
6. In Bharayya which I have heard him sing on several occasions, he elevated the song further by actually inviting the Lord with Kuzhaivu (softness). Very moving presentation.
6. Karaharapriya alapanai was less elaborate but nonetheless beautiful.
7. Swarams for everything. I could sense many new techniques. His standard phrases were reduced and emphasis was on slower, bhava laden phrases with silences in between, closer to MMI. Added beauty to his virtuosity.
8. The AndaaL virutham 1 is a love song, where she asks the Sangu (the conch held by the lord) to tell her the taste and smell of the Lord's mouth, as it has got the privilege of being in physical touch (kiss) with his lips. It is actually bordering on erotic IMHO. Sri.TVS gave an interesting twist at the end of the virutham, repeating "Sol"(tell) to the Lord- different Lord's names. He meant that AandaaL wants the sangu to tell the Lord about her love for him (something like doothu) !! Nice, although not aandaaL's intention.
9. Young Vittala Rangan needs special mention. He really shone today. To match Sri.TVS is no easy task especially in replies to swaraprasthaaraas. He could produce the complex patterns with ease and without any mistake. Got a deserving applause. I have been listening to him since he was a young boy. Except for his age, he fully deserves to be categorised as a senior vidwan. All the best for his continued growth and success.
10. Senior percussionists Tumkur Ravishankar and Amrit gave understanding support.
11. When Sri.TVS started off, I felt some kara karappu in his voice but it nearly cleared after the nattai swara blast. However I think the a/c of the hall was giving him some trouble, as he kept looking up at it but never complained or stopped his singing.
12. Recording in audio and video formats were prohibited. I think it is sad. Amateur personal recording for personal use can probably be allowed. For instance I feel that the glorious kalyani was a lost treasure. I had my mobile ready to make a crude recording. But could not implement the plan!!
13. The concert was dedicated to Sri.Bellary Venkateshachar who passed away recently.
14. The hall, ambience and sound were very good.
15. Full marks to the organisers Vishesha Fine Arts which is run by Smt. Vani Sateesh (herself a good vocalist and much sought after teacher of CM in Bangalore) and her husband Sri.Mysore Sateesh ( a senior manager in an MNC and also a trained violinist). There are also others involved, I think, Mys Bros and so on. Everything is done in a very sophisticated way. They deserve all support and appreciation. Thanks Vishesha for this concert. Hope to attend many more in your wonderful venue.
16. Disclaimer: The saahityam, etc., are written based on the tamil script and not on the language in which it is composed.
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Concerts by TVS are always a breath of fresh air... unfortunately, I had to return from the venue as my 2 year old didn't cooperate. My family enjoyed it very much. Also, he has a penchant for starting with the AP. In 2004, he sang RamaNeeyada in the SIFA-25 year anniversary and there too he started with Kamini....
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Re: Sri.TVS @ Vishesha on 18.7.2015
KSSR,
Thank you for that very flavoursome review.
Don't know Bharayya. Please give some more coordinates so I can get the song - composer and more words.
Vittal rangan is doing very well. It augurs for all of us
Thank you for that very flavoursome review.
Don't know Bharayya. Please give some more coordinates so I can get the song - composer and more words.
Vittal rangan is doing very well. It augurs for all of us

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Thanks gandharva_gaana!
I found a fine version here by Amrutha Venkatesh:
http://gaana.com/share/titemI1932824
This is a song on Dashaavataara..
I found a fine version here by Amrutha Venkatesh:
http://gaana.com/share/titemI1932824
This is a song on Dashaavataara..
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Re: Sri.TVS @ Vishesha on 18.7.2015
Bharayya Venkataramana-Saveri- Purandaradasa. I do not have full lyrics.Rsachi wrote:KSSR,
Thank you for that very flavoursome review.
Don't know Bharayya. Please give some more coordinates so I can get the song - composer and more words.
Vittal rangan is doing very well. It augurs for all of us
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Re: Sri.TVS @ Vishesha on 18.7.2015
RSachi and KSSR,
The lyric of Torayya Ninnaya pada - Saveri-Adi-Purandara Dasa. Yes, a Dasaavatara pada. It starts with anupallavi, as Lord Venkata Ramana is Ishta Devata of Purandara Dasa.
Pallavi
Torayya Ninnaya Pada I
Toya jambakane II
Barayya Venkata Ramana I
Bhakutara Nidhiye II
Veda gocharane baaro,I
Aadi kachappa baaro,II
Mudadi sukara baro I
Sadaya Narasimha baro II
Vamana bhargava baaro I
Rama Krishna nee baro II
Premada Boudha baro I
Swami Kalki nee baro II
Aravinda nabha baro I
Akhilara prabu baro II
Puruhoota vandya baaro I
Purandara Vittala baro II
This purandara dasara devaranama was set to tune by Sandhyavandanam Srinivasa Rao, my Guru & Father. MLV and Radha & Jayalakshmi and few more maestros had learnt from SSRao. Smt.Vijayalakshmi Shankaranarayanan, a student of SSRao learnt (under a Govt.of India Scholarship) and TVS learning from his wife, sings very beautifully sticking to the patantharam. First I heard him singing in his concert for the 'Naada Neerajanam' of SVBC and the pleasure of listening is still strong in my memory.
munirao2001
The lyric of Torayya Ninnaya pada - Saveri-Adi-Purandara Dasa. Yes, a Dasaavatara pada. It starts with anupallavi, as Lord Venkata Ramana is Ishta Devata of Purandara Dasa.
Pallavi
Torayya Ninnaya Pada I
Toya jambakane II
Barayya Venkata Ramana I
Bhakutara Nidhiye II
Veda gocharane baaro,I
Aadi kachappa baaro,II
Mudadi sukara baro I
Sadaya Narasimha baro II
Vamana bhargava baaro I
Rama Krishna nee baro II
Premada Boudha baro I
Swami Kalki nee baro II
Aravinda nabha baro I
Akhilara prabu baro II
Puruhoota vandya baaro I
Purandara Vittala baro II
This purandara dasara devaranama was set to tune by Sandhyavandanam Srinivasa Rao, my Guru & Father. MLV and Radha & Jayalakshmi and few more maestros had learnt from SSRao. Smt.Vijayalakshmi Shankaranarayanan, a student of SSRao learnt (under a Govt.of India Scholarship) and TVS learning from his wife, sings very beautifully sticking to the patantharam. First I heard him singing in his concert for the 'Naada Neerajanam' of SVBC and the pleasure of listening is still strong in my memory.
munirao2001
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Sir, thank you for the nuggets!
I heard Amrutha Venkatesh in the linked track above and liked it very much.
I heard Amrutha Venkatesh in the linked track above and liked it very much.
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Such an interesting background. Thanks munirao sir. I have heard Sri.TVS sing this on several occasions. The other Saveri he sings is another of my favourites- Muruga Muruga - I think also sung by MS. Essence of the raga brought out by Sri.TVS
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Thanks all--for the review and for lending interesting additional material.
This concert is a blend of lovely pieces. Brings back the days when I did not have the heart to miss any of TVS's live concerts if I happened to be in town. I see neither of his children on stage. He seems to have given a wonderful performance without any vocal support.
Vittal Rangan is noteworthy among the younger players and yes Sachi, we are all happy about his progress
This concert is a blend of lovely pieces. Brings back the days when I did not have the heart to miss any of TVS's live concerts if I happened to be in town. I see neither of his children on stage. He seems to have given a wonderful performance without any vocal support.
Vittal Rangan is noteworthy among the younger players and yes Sachi, we are all happy about his progress

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TVS singing Barayya from the anupallavi can be found here http://www.sangeethamshare.org/kasturi/ ... rnarayanan#
As mentioned already his sAveri is a class apart.
As mentioned already his sAveri is a class apart.
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RSachi,
KSSR,
"Urugaada Undan Ullam" - "Muruga, Muruga". You will agree with me that any rasika, initiated or uninitiated in classical music, 'Ullam Urugiduvaan Illayaa'. To my knowledge and experience this composition received excellent treatment and renditions from Great Maestro and Great Teacher, late Vid.TMT, first. Later, Vidu.DKP, Vid.DKJ,Vidu.MSS, Vid.KVN, Vidu.Radha & Jayalakshmi, Vid.TVS, Vidu.Sudha Raghunathan and few more Vidwans and Vidushees have sung this one of the great composition in Saaveri, in all its splendor proving the purity associated with 'Cauvery Snaanam, Saaveri gaanam'.
munirao2001
Vidu.AV is also interestingly, connected. Vid.Trichur V.Ramachandran learnt this devaranaama from SSRao and also recorded (also Sree Raaja Gopaala- Mudduswami Deekshita). Vidu.Charumathi Ramachandran learnt it (also Sree Rajagopala ) from TVR/recording. Vidu.AV learnt this from her guru Vidu.CR.I heard Amrutha Venkatesh in the linked track above and liked it very much.
KSSR,
"Urugaada Undan Ullam" - "Muruga, Muruga". You will agree with me that any rasika, initiated or uninitiated in classical music, 'Ullam Urugiduvaan Illayaa'. To my knowledge and experience this composition received excellent treatment and renditions from Great Maestro and Great Teacher, late Vid.TMT, first. Later, Vidu.DKP, Vid.DKJ,Vidu.MSS, Vid.KVN, Vidu.Radha & Jayalakshmi, Vid.TVS, Vidu.Sudha Raghunathan and few more Vidwans and Vidushees have sung this one of the great composition in Saaveri, in all its splendor proving the purity associated with 'Cauvery Snaanam, Saaveri gaanam'.
munirao2001
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Guru Sri.SS Rao seems to be the fountainhead of knowledge when it comes to the Saveri number- Bharayya Venkataramana. So nice to have Sri.Munirao in the forum. I heard the song forwarded on this string- Bombay Sisters and Amrutha. They are both sedate and smooth. Although the probable source is same, Sri.TVS's Bharayya starts with a slap on the first word and also quite sprightly fitting his style of singing. But all are different dimensions of this beautiful creation.
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KSSR,
It's bArayya, no bha.
(a variation of the same root verb: bAro Krishnayya, Krishna nee begane bAro)
It's bArayya, no bha.

(a variation of the same root verb: bAro Krishnayya, Krishna nee begane bAro)
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Re: Sri.TVS @ Vishesha on 18.7.2015
Thanks.
Refer point 16 of my review
baa = bha = pa =pha !! 
Refer point 16 of my review


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No wonder Tamil proficiency requires an IQ of 250! You need an Octacore cerebral processor constantly dealing with such phonetic phenomena. So I gave up...
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Tamizh is self-sufficient. The problem arises when handling words transliterated from other languages. The problem is not any worse than an alien language like English. We are used to English by compulsion, and choice born of compulsion, and we mispronounce almost any word, but it does not in the least affect us. Some of the niceties of Tamizh (like the half u at the end of a word like Nadu, zha, etc.) have no equivalent in other languages and people normally mispronounce them. Of course, Telugu and Kannada are sweet, not all that easy.
Sirigannadam gelga. (When I said this at end of a speech in English, a Kannadiga friend complimented that i said it better than many Kannadigas).
Sirigannadam gelga. (When I said this at end of a speech in English, a Kannadiga friend complimented that i said it better than many Kannadigas).
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Of course! Right now we're watching a cardiac surgeon discuss on TV how to do bypass surgery without sternotomy, not using a single English word.
Amazing.
Amazing.
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Re: Sri.TVS @ Vishesha on 18.7.2015
That is the aim of Doctor Kalaignar Thalaivar, to teach medicine in Tamil!Rsachi wrote:Of course! Right now we're watching a cardiac surgeon discuss on TV how to do bypass surgery without sternotomy, not using a single English word.
Amazing.

But his children and grandchildren went to Church Park, an English-medium school in Chennai.



I did get your sarcasm, by the way.
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'Zha' is found in Malayalam and the Malayalis pronounce it better than Tamilians.kvchellappa wrote:Tamizh is self-sufficient. The problem arises when handling words transliterated from other languages. The problem is not any worse than an alien language like English. We are used to English by compulsion, and choice born of compulsion, and we mispronounce almost any word, but it does not in the least affect us. Some of the niceties of Tamizh (like the half u at the end of a word like Nadu, zha, etc.) have no equivalent in other languages and people normally mispronounce them.
The half-u you mention can be found in Sanskrit, in words like 'rishi' (the first 'I').
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There is bypass surgery being advertised in the US using a 3" incision. I wouldn't know if it involves a sternotomy.Rsachi wrote:how to do bypass surgery without sternotomy....
Amazing.
PS: No sternotomy.
http://www.texasheart.org/HIC/Topics/Pr ... access.cfm
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Nice transition from TVS to language to surgery.
I can now understand evolution.
I can now understand evolution.
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Guys
Seriously I enjoyed the talk about minimal cardiac surgery in Tamil.
Bypass w/o sternotomy has been around 20 years.
Seriously I enjoyed the talk about minimal cardiac surgery in Tamil.
Bypass w/o sternotomy has been around 20 years.
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Re: Sri.TVS @ Vishesha on 18.7.2015
I listened to AV's rendition on Sangeethapriya just uploaded. I like TVS's version more.
Talking about Saveri - other renditions I love are - DKJ (Rama Bana), R.Vedavalli (Sree RajaGopala), MLV (RTP - famous Kaveri Rangan) and LGJ(Rama Bana)
Talking about Saveri - other renditions I love are - DKJ (Rama Bana), R.Vedavalli (Sree RajaGopala), MLV (RTP - famous Kaveri Rangan) and LGJ(Rama Bana)
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Yes G_g, the combination of the opening tune=motif in classic Saveri and the vibrant TVS voice which shines at higher Sa, is indeed beautiful!
What a raga, Saveri! I feel even Bhavayami is brilliantly tuned.
By the way Sangeethapriya streaming on Subsonic/android needed to be reconfigured due to server/login changes. It works well now.
What a raga, Saveri! I feel even Bhavayami is brilliantly tuned.
By the way Sangeethapriya streaming on Subsonic/android needed to be reconfigured due to server/login changes. It works well now.
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Keeping to the digression:
ऋ in Samskritam is an odd vowel. It takes the consonant sound of r and the short u sound never occurs except with r (or with l and r). It is mispronounced in the north as उ and in the south as इ. A boss of mine who called himself a pagadi (he is from Uttarakhand) told me how his Maharashtrian boss corrected him, ‘Why do you say स्मृति, say smru(रु)ti.’
The Tamizh version is kutriyalukaram. It is the same sound of u as in ऋ alright, but it occurs only at the end of a word and with any consonant. Non-Tamizh people never get it right. It is because there is no separate letter for that sound.
(Tamizh and Malayalam can be combined for the discussion here).
ऋ in Samskritam is an odd vowel. It takes the consonant sound of r and the short u sound never occurs except with r (or with l and r). It is mispronounced in the north as उ and in the south as इ. A boss of mine who called himself a pagadi (he is from Uttarakhand) told me how his Maharashtrian boss corrected him, ‘Why do you say स्मृति, say smru(रु)ti.’
The Tamizh version is kutriyalukaram. It is the same sound of u as in ऋ alright, but it occurs only at the end of a word and with any consonant. Non-Tamizh people never get it right. It is because there is no separate letter for that sound.
(Tamizh and Malayalam can be combined for the discussion here).
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Thanks KVC, this is an important thing! My Sanskrit master taught this probunciation meticulously.
I started typing my thoughts and then i felt it would help to quote some authority in this. Here is a fine link! http://sanskritdocuments.org/learning_t ... ation.html
I reproduce the salient part here:
The tongue-placement (sthaana) for R^i is the muurdhan (the highest part of the hard palate, the same part where the tongue is placed for T, Th, D, Dh, N.
The mouth effort ("prayatna") for R^i is "vivR^ita" on the inside, and "vivaara" on the outside. This means that the inner part of the throat is open, and there is a continuous flow of air from the throat through the mouth out of the lips. So when the tip of the tongue touches the muurdhan, it should not block the flow of air at any time. If it blocks the flow of air, this turns into the consonant (vya.njana) "r".
Of course, "ra", "ri", "ru" all break the continuous flow of air from the throat to the mouth as the tongue touches the palate to make the "r" sound, and then they all change from muurdhan to kaNTha (for "ra"), or taalu (for "ri"), or oshhTha (for "ru"). Which are all wrong while speaking in sa.nskR^ita. (But correct in those modern languages.)
Your friend called himself a pahADi because pahAD means a mountain! The snowpeaks of Uttarkhand:

My daughter-in-law shot this photo enroute to Kedarnath this May!
I started typing my thoughts and then i felt it would help to quote some authority in this. Here is a fine link! http://sanskritdocuments.org/learning_t ... ation.html
I reproduce the salient part here:
The tongue-placement (sthaana) for R^i is the muurdhan (the highest part of the hard palate, the same part where the tongue is placed for T, Th, D, Dh, N.
The mouth effort ("prayatna") for R^i is "vivR^ita" on the inside, and "vivaara" on the outside. This means that the inner part of the throat is open, and there is a continuous flow of air from the throat through the mouth out of the lips. So when the tip of the tongue touches the muurdhan, it should not block the flow of air at any time. If it blocks the flow of air, this turns into the consonant (vya.njana) "r".
Of course, "ra", "ri", "ru" all break the continuous flow of air from the throat to the mouth as the tongue touches the palate to make the "r" sound, and then they all change from muurdhan to kaNTha (for "ra"), or taalu (for "ri"), or oshhTha (for "ru"). Which are all wrong while speaking in sa.nskR^ita. (But correct in those modern languages.)
Your friend called himself a pahADi because pahAD means a mountain! The snowpeaks of Uttarkhand:

My daughter-in-law shot this photo enroute to Kedarnath this May!
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Thanks. Do you know of any audio link for the pronunciation?
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Will look for it asap!
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Re: Sri.TVS @ Vishesha on 18.7.2015
Pronunciation of R (vowel) - audio link:
http://learnsanskrit.org/audio/R.OGG
Pronunciation of r (consonant)- audio link:
http://www.learnsanskrit.org/audio/ra.OGG
http://learnsanskrit.org/audio/R.OGG
Pronunciation of r (consonant)- audio link:
http://www.learnsanskrit.org/audio/ra.OGG