ananda bhairavi

gobilalitha · Post by **gobilalitha** » 09 Dec 2007, 17:46

of course , of late a miniscule percentage of hindustani musicians has started singing carnatic raagas, that too not purely carnatic raagas like kambodi . bhairavi, mukhari etc ,in our traditional style. i quote subbudu from an issue of anandavikatan, "I TAKE A CHALLENGE. .CAN ANY HINDUSTANI MUSICIAN SING ANANDABHAIRAVI" GOBILALITHA

gobilalitha · Post by **gobilalitha** » 10 Dec 2007, 11:33

anadabhiravi cd of tm krishna is sublime, out of the world experience,especially ksheereasagara. why no reply about subbudu's challenge? gobilalitha

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 10 Dec 2007, 13:12

gobilalitha wrote:anadabhiravi cd of tm krishna is sublime, out of the world experience,especially ksheereasagara. why no reply about subbudu's challenge? gobilalitha

Heard Responses are Sweet .
Unheard Responses are Sweeter.

With apologies to John Keats
That is why I chose to remain quiet.

But if you still insist

Let me quote Keats again

There was an awful rainbow once in heaven:
We know her woof, her texture; she is given
In the dull catalogue of common things.
Philosophy will clip an angelâ€™s wings.
Lamia. Part ii.

Subbudu might have been built like a Boxer , but that does not mean We have to give him the respect , normally reserved for Bouncers in a Bar.

Subbudu , In Heaven (where I believe all of will definitely go ultimately , for Hell can exist only on earth, in our minds) must be running his fingers through that catalog now.
A catalog featuring an Angel , with wings clipped by a Dull Philosophy.

Any one who knows a Sankarabharanam or an Anand Bhairavi in its truest sense, would not have asked that question.

Let me get back to that major HM Behag again.
Wonder If I have ever heard a CM Behag in such a great detail !!

gobilalitha · Post by **gobilalitha** » 10 Dec 2007, 14:44

thanks. alright .let us face realities . have you heard any hm rendering ab or mukhari or kambodhi . i have not . avargal inge paada vandhal, eppo parthalum yaman, behaag. ,bhiravi, bhopali enru joke panni vittu 50000, cheque vangikkondu poy vidugirarga.l gobilalitha

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 10 Dec 2007, 17:02

Yes .I have not heard about Beckham playing a delicate late Cut ,either.
Nor GR Viswanath bend it like Beckham.
Inspite of the fact that both of them were just playing with a Ball.
For after all a Scale is just like any other Scale.Bouncing to different impulses.

I cannot understand how Compensation comes into picture.But if it is your conviction that CM is superior to HM (or is it just the practising performers and not the Music as such ?),and are unjustly underpaid, you have every right to keep that opinion.I will not contest that.

In the Mid 80s , I once spent an afternoon watching the Misra Brothers tune their Tanpuras under an erratic Air Conditioning system.
At IIT.
For a full 42 minutes and they were still not happy, when they started.
It was one of most musical 42 minutes I have spent in my Life.
I wonder what you would say , if you were there that day.

I have a sneaking feeling that you dont like seeing Chess Grand Masters paid heavily too.
Much like the Industrial engineer in this Story.

One day a CEO ,not finding time to attend a Orchestral concert (for which he had an invitation), asked his Industrial Engineering Chief to take a few hours off and attend instead .
And to report ,the next day , if he liked it.
What appeared on his table the next day was as follows.

Attended the concert as you suggested.

1.I was told that the items they played were more than 300 years old .Obviously they have not used modern methods to use Depreciation funds to keep themselves updated.
2.I noticed that there was an unequal distribution of Workload .
3.They have ,obviously , not been used to tightening their belts for a long time now , since i saw many violins doing the work of one.To the best of my knowledge , they seemed to play in unison and that is why this comment needs to be taken more seriously.
4.One particular Violin was a Huge aberration-White Elephants, as we call them here.
5.One particular gentleman, right in the centre , was not doing any visible work , but was using up a lot of effort .Much like many of our managers here.
The honest thing about him was that he stopped when all others stopped too.

On my way back I was told that this particular Orchestra was finding it difficult to make ends meet and had a glorious past.

I could see the reasons why.
Otherwise it was a very pleasant evening.
I thought I should let you know.

In Conclusion, in my books,Prowess has nothing to do with a particular System.
Menuhin is reported to have once refused Dwaram , a simple touch of his violin , in their first meeting (after Menuhins Concert).
A day later , after listening to Dwaram playing , Menuhin was so moved that he went upto Dwaram and offered his violin,to play.Not just touch.

gobilalitha · Post by **gobilalitha** » 10 Dec 2007, 17:54

sir , the CEO episode is wonderful . I am very happy that finally I got what i wanted from you , by mischievously teasing you PL SEE MY EMAIL GOBILALITHA

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 10 Dec 2007, 17:56

Now What shall I do with MY TOP 10 Non commercial HM Tracks that I had set aside for display,here ?? !!

gobilalitha · Post by **gobilalitha** » 11 Dec 2007, 07:08

I am ready to receive them, greedy!!! Is it not? gobilalitha

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 11 Dec 2007, 09:45

http://rapidshare.com/files/75619358/Track_2.mp3

malini rajurkars Dhani (Shudha Dhanyasi) from AIR

Has any one heard of a jugalbandi in this raga.
I play select phases of TRS's swaraprastharas in Subrahmanyena, and make my own remixes in my mind .
http://rapidshare.com/files/75754517/Trs_1.mp3
Nothing to choose between the two.

Further uploads only after feedback !!:D

vgvindan · Post by **vgvindan** » 12 Dec 2007, 11:23

bhiravi, bhopali enru joke panni vittu 50000, cheque vangikkondu poy vidugirarga.

Though gobilalitaji wanted to tease coolkarni, Anup Jalota's rendering of Surdas' 'avguN cit na dharO' is indeed worth it. I wish it lasted for atleast an hour as against 20 minutes - a treat.

During one of her songs, we were rather surprised to see a man from the audience get on stage and start dancing. He seemed to be in somewhat of a trance, quite oblivious to the attention he was creating. From where we were sitting it looked like the security men were asking him to leave the stage but the organisers of the concert thought otherwise and allowed the gentleman to carry on. As unnoticeably as he had walked on stage, he left without creating any scene whatsoever. In fact by the end of the concert when the first few lines of "O Laal Meri" rang out, everyone one was up and clapping and singing "duma dum mast kalandar". Had I been nearer to the stage I would have probably been up there myself.

"Parveen could sing a shopping list and have an audience weeping". I did not understand all the songs myself but the raw emotional power behind her singing was enough to touch my soul.

http://www.thedailystar.net/magazine/20 ... sttalk.htm

This link I have already posted in another thread. I had mentioned about Bhava in Music in another thread. This is what I meant - it is 'heart-to-heart speak' - idayam pEsugiRadu - இதயம் பேசுகிறது.

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 12 Dec 2007, 15:40

Yes.I did feel a bit teased .
Like a young chap I saw on a Mumbai suburban train , twenty years ago.
This 20 something kid was making it obvious that Mumbai had scared the hell out of him , with his furtive looks.
( I used to get around that problem by making a short Pocket-sketch of the train map that can be seen pasted on wall of the compartments , just above the exit door and looking at it casually , as various stations whizzed past me- and get down very very mumbaiwallah-like , -getting up from my seat two stations before and head towards the exit)
A group of regulars asked this lad "what is the time ?" and the lad promptly responded , after looking at his watch.
What followed confused me too.
"you heard what he said/ It is 9.15 .How dare he talk to us like that"
"what does he think of himself "
This kind of ragging went on for about 20 minutes after which they all broke into laughter.The whole compartment was full of regulars and was having fun at the lads expense.Who also joined in the merriment and accepted thanks from all of them for the "Time pass-Bachhooo"

So I hope it is correct that we continue with the celebrations here.
With this Often-used clip of Chembai-commenting on another Parveen. Somehow Gobilalitha gives me a feeling of this Chembai today.
http://rapidshare.com/files/76019541/06 ... een_ma.mp3

And here is what she sang after that hilarious moment
http://rapidshare.com/files/75750176/Track_4.mp3
A glorious Jaijaiwanthi- Pure Honey

Rigapada · Post by **Rigapada** » 16 Dec 2007, 12:04

And thank you Gobilalita!
--Rigapaad

sshankar_1970 · Post by **sshankar_1970** » 25 Jan 2008, 14:43

Coming back to Anandha Bhairavi , any discussion is incomplete without mentioning the uncrowned king of the raga -Flute Mali . I heard his last concert in KGS ON 31ST Dec 1985 . He played just for an hour before complaining that he was not feeling all right. In those 60-70 minutes , he played a magical Anandha Bhairavi -"O Jagadamba" . Have never heard such a beautiful alapana .

Nandy · Post by **Nandy** » 05 Apr 2008, 09:19

Hi,

Can anybody help with the swarams of geetham (Kamala sulochana) and swarajathi (Raveme maguva) in Anandha bhairavi? Especially where do the anya swarams like antara gandharam etc. come in these songs.

Thanks.

Nandy

Sam Swaminathan · Post by **Sam Swaminathan** » 05 Apr 2008, 09:55

Coolji

On both the links I get the following msg....

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Tried it ten times...with no luck...could you please reload....thanks

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 06 Apr 2008, 06:53

Sam
Everytime I get such requests I feel like the soldier -with rapidlinks all over me-in this story.

As the young soldier started to climb the gangplank of the
troopship, the Captain on duty said " Is that lipstick on your face ?"
"Yessir ," stammered the soldier ,rubbing the face with the back
of his hand.

"Well, don't put it allover you !"snapped the officer. Then lowering
his voice and nodding towards the tearful girl waiving at the gate,
he added :"I'll give you ten more minutes to put it back where you
got it ! ".

So please give me a few days to put the rapidlinks back here.

balusatya · Post by **balusatya** » 06 Apr 2008, 22:56

Kamala su|lochana||Vimalatha|DadaGini||
Nidanisa|s.ns|| Grsn| |Ndpm||
Marala | Kamini || Hari hara madye||
PPPD | NDPM || MP MP GRS. ||

BIMBA | AANANA|| VIDU MAN | DALARE||
S. NI | S G GM || G M P PM | G R S ||

CHANDANA | KUNGUMA || SAMGALI |D...||

P P M G | M M G R || G G R I N | S .S.||

P A R I M A LA| K A S T U R I || T I L A K A T H A| R E Y E||

P P M A | M M G R || G G R N | S.S. ||
J A J I . | J A I Y A || KA CHA KUCHA | K A N A K A J A ||
S G RG | M G M. || P N D N | P D N S ||
NAMmm | BOOO || M A R A .LA | K. A M I N I ||
G R S N | NDPM || P P P D | N D P M ||
HA R I H A R A | m A D Y E ||
M P M P | G R S || (E&O.E).

balusatya · Post by **balusatya** » 06 Apr 2008, 23:07

DISCLAIMER.

* SAHITHYA WORDS MAY BE NOT SPELT CORRECTLY.

* NOTATION NOT IN THE TRADITIONAL FORM.

$ Rita Rajan presented this as a good sample for Ananda Bhairavi In MA Lecdem a few years back.

$ Proud that I am able recollect after 4 decades since I learnt this from Sri .Sankara Sivam !

$ I swear those who know /heard should be oldtimers 55 +.Any takers ?

balusatya · Post by **balusatya** » 06 Apr 2008, 23:09

Nandy! Give sometime to come back for Rave makura!

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 07 Apr 2008, 03:29

Nandy: Please check your email.

mohan · Post by **mohan** » 07 Apr 2008, 08:24

balusatya wrote:$ I swear those who know /heard should be oldtimers 55 +.Any takers ?

I am <40 and have learnt this geetham and teach it to my students! It is one of the geethams listed in AS Panchapakesa Iyer's book.

vainika · Post by **vainika** » 07 Apr 2008, 14:21

Nandy wrote:Can anybody help with the swarams of geetham (Kamala sulochana) and swarajathi (Raveme maguva) in Anandha bhairavi? Especially where do the anya swarams like antara gandharam etc. come in these songs.

Nandy, there is no antara gAndhAra in kamala sulOchana, but the gItam does have phrases that are unusual when compared with many contemporary interpretations of Ananda bhairavI; for e.g. NDNS instead of the more commonly heard PDPS; and the prayOga SG-GM with a plain G2 that these days has come to be associated more with rItigauLa than with Ananda bhairavI. Some of the prayOgas in this gItam find echoes in Muthuswami Dikshitar's compositions, viz. the charaNa of AnandEshvarENa.

I hear that some musicians have sought to 'mainstream' this gItam with contemporary AnandabhairavI by redefining NDNS as PDPS.

knandago2001 · Post by **knandago2001** » 07 Apr 2008, 15:31

vainika: it occurred to me that there are other instances where the s g g m prayoga is encountered as in the lakshana gita pahi sri ramachandra (Paidala Gurumurthy Sastry), as also in the ata tala varnam saami neepai (Veena Kuppier). Dikshitar's tyagaraja yoga vaibhavam also illustrates the n d n s phrase (when singing vaibhavam), right? Links to the ragalakshana on the carnatica website maybe of interest:
http://www.carnatica.net/newsletter/ana ... letter.htm

vainika · Post by **vainika** » 07 Apr 2008, 19:39

Nandagopal, thanks for the additional references to SGGM and NDNS, and pointing out the Carnatica link.

Nandy · Post by **Nandy** » 12 Apr 2008, 23:00

Thanks so much balusatyaji, lakshmanji, mohanji, vainikaji and knandago2001. That really helped.

As fas as I learnt I didn't hear of any Antara gandharam in either Kamalasulochana and Rave maguva, but one of the senior teachers here had mentioned the antara gandharam in the phrase SGGM and GMPM in Kamalasulochana and also in one of the phrases in Rave maguva. I just wanted to clarify that.

Thanks so much.

Nandy.

Nandy · Post by **Nandy** » 12 Apr 2008, 23:05

I agree with you vainika. The phrases NDNS AND SG-GM are not actually Anandabhairavi though they sound great.
According to Ravikiranji, it is a janya of Kharaharapriya instead of Natabhairavi because we use chatusruthi dhaivatham instead of Suddha dhaivatham.

Nandy.

balusatya · Post by **balusatya** » 12 Apr 2008, 23:12

* Why not such Geethams find a place in regular concerts as a filler? Should there be any taboo? Infact,they reveal the ragalakshana sometime better.
* it is quite longtime since we either(atleast I) not heard or heard of Lakshana Geetham(portraying raga lakshana).Sri.S.Rajam used mention in his Lecdem-Raghalakshanas.
*Would the Asthana (I may call it) Vaggeyakaras like Sri.Ramaraj come to the rescue?

vainika · Post by **vainika** » 13 Apr 2008, 09:16

Nandy wrote:I agree with you vainika. The phrases NDNS AND SG-GM are not actually Anandabhairavi though they sound great.

Just clarifying: I didn't say the NDNS and SGGM are "not actually" Ananda bhairavi, just that they are unusual when compared with many contemporary interpretations of Ananda bhairavi. I have no hesitation using these in kRtis where they exist.

Nandy · Post by **Nandy** » 24 Apr 2008, 19:40

Balusaiya,

I have heard that TVSeshagopalan improvises the first Malahari Geetham Lambodhara laghumikara and sings it in his concerts sometimes. Swarajathis of Syama Shastri are sung too like- Amba kamakshi-Bhairavi.

Nandy.

Nandy · Post by **Nandy** » 24 Apr 2008, 19:43

Vainika,

Also wanted to know if there are any Antara gandharam's or kakali nishadham's in the Ananda Bhairavi swarajathi? As far as I remember, i have sung only sadharna gandharam and kaishiki nishadham in all places? Please correct me if I am wrong.

Nandy.

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 28 Apr 2008, 02:51

I was going through the notation for the Anandabhairavi varnam sAmi nIpai (aTa, vINA kuppaiyer) and the "G G M ," seems *quite* common there. In fact the caranam starts with M , (maru...) and 3 ciTTaswaras end with some form of G G. That was a surprise. Also was surprised to see n-n-s as well. But when I listen to a rendition it still doesnt give any rItigowLa flavor in those parts (Perhaps sung differently)? Although this varnam in general does sound "different" somehow from most Anandabhairavi renditions we hear. It just has the same feel as the gItam.

Arun

bhavanisridharan · Post by **bhavanisridharan** » 06 Jan 2010, 10:24

Could anyone please explain the meaning of lyrics in the gitam "Kamalasulochana"?
Also, are all the gitams in AS Panchapakesaiyer's book by Purandaradasa?
Bhavani