Subhapanthuvarali

mahesh3 · Post by **mahesh3** » 01 Jul 2006, 02:07

I've been enveloped in this raga all day....can anybody better convey its bhava than SS IyervAl, particularly when he sings "Sri Satyanarayanam"? I would very much like for us to discuss this raga! Related compositions, and reneditions by noted yesteryear artists would be in order.....

kiransurya · Post by **kiransurya** » 01 Jul 2006, 04:00

Mahesh!!!!

A nice rendition of Sri Satyanaarayanam by TNS. Amazing panthuvarali for solid one hour(A slokam and raagamalika swarams and a sruthibedham in neraval)
http://rapidshare.de/files/24596587/Sri ... m.mp3.html

enjoy

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 01 Jul 2006, 16:42

here is a another delicious one by Kalyanraman

http://rapidshare.de/files/24633478/05- ... varali.mp3

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 01 Jul 2006, 17:40

here is another by radha jaylaxmi ... a poor recording though.

http://rapidshare.de/files/24636372/rad ... arali_.mp3

though cant help wondering why it is called shubha-- though.
Never fails to make me feel sad.

shanks · Post by **shanks** » 01 Jul 2006, 18:41

There is a RTP recording of TNS that is supposed to be fantastic (albeit of poor recording quality) - i have heard numerous persons rave about it but i have not heard it myself.

Another interesting point about this ragam - 'mamava meenakshi' in varali is rendered by MSG in subhapantuvarlai; according to H K Narasimhamurthy a student of MSG, it was Parur Sundaram Iyer who was behind the parur family tradition of playing this composition in shubapantuvarali. He had apparently had some justification which he even presented at Music Academy decades ago.

srkris · Post by **srkris** » 02 Jul 2006, 03:04

Shivapantuvarali is definitely an amazing raga... too few compositions I have heard... and it is most of the time "Shri Satyanarayanam"!

Now here is a song no one else has sung so far... a truly classic piece in Sanskrit - Chembai with Alagiriswamy and TVG.

The quality of recording is not great, but this concert is perhaps the only one available where one of Chembai's seniormost disciples (Poomuli Raman Namboodiri) sings together with him. So many of Chembai's disciples have not performed individually in many concerts... and that includes most of his best disciples.

http://rapidshare.de/files/24676905/Kai ... i.mp3.html

And about Mamava meenakshi in Subhapantuvarali, I dont think there is any big difference... but still a note is a note, and a raga is a raga

meena · Post by **meena** » 02 Jul 2006, 03:21

Lji/chembai

Kailasapathe Paripalayamam is this Garbhapurivasa comp?

can i pl. have the txt. thanku

srkris · Post by **srkris** » 02 Jul 2006, 12:15

Is it? I dont think it is a Garbhapurivasa composition. I dont have the lyrics... searching for it myself.

Vocalist · Post by **Vocalist** » 03 Jul 2006, 18:40

Speaking of Dikshithar's "Sri Sathyanarayanam", DKP's and MLV's renditions are unforgettable.

shanks · Post by **shanks** » 03 Jul 2006, 18:56

srkris - don't know why you say there is no big difference - just that single note makes a tremendous difference between varali and subhapantuvarali. shubhapantuvarali brings about a meloncholy mood that is unmatched.

Here is a clipping of sree satyanarayanam:

http://rapidshare.de/files/24820016/sre ... i.mp3.html

Can u recognize the artist? Not often discussed or recognized person.

kiransurya · Post by **kiransurya** » 03 Jul 2006, 19:52

Here is a beautiful Pasupatheeswaram in Panthuvarali by Smt Sowmya. A very rarely heard krithi. Downloaded ages ago from guruguha website..
http://rapidshare.de/files/24825813/Pas ... m.mp3.html

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 03 Jul 2006, 22:29

shanks
i could not recognise the artist.Only the haunting voice of omkarnath thakur singing Garwa main sang....Now where did i miss that track.

anyway

two classic hindi movie songs

http://rapidshare.de/files/24836894/a1- ... _Bhaye.mp3
by rafi saab
http://rapidshare.de/files/24837316/a3- ... Kartar.mp3
by amir khan

http://rapidshare.de/files/24832447/Nar ... s_todi.mp3
a liliting tharana by narayanrao vyas

http://rapidshare.de/files/24836225/Pra ... r-Todi.mp3

a full length rendering by prabhakar karekar

and finally a jazz bit by shanker jaikishen

http://rapidshare.de/files/24829146/Sha ... n-Todi.mp3

and now let me search for that immaculate GS mani rendering

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 04 Jul 2006, 07:26

kiran
thoroughly enjoying the tns clip
thank you....

kiransurya · Post by **kiransurya** » 04 Jul 2006, 23:23

Your stuff is equally good...
Thanks

srinidhi · Post by **srinidhi** » 05 Jul 2006, 10:33

Also known as Sivapantuvarali in the Dikshitar Sampradaya.

BTW, the kriti Pashupateeswaram has the words "Paschima Kashmira Raja vinutam..." Who is the raja being referred to here?. Did MD travel as far as Kashmir? Or does it refer to the Pashupatinath temple in Nepal?

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 05 Jul 2006, 11:43

GS Mani

http://rapidshare.de/files/24973305/07- ... i.mp3.html

shanks · Post by **shanks** » 05 Jul 2006, 19:51

The unnamed artist i had posted is Dwaram Mangatayaru.
She plays true to her father's style. She is perhaps the one who has accompanied Mali ( T R Mahalingam) the most number of times. It is unfortunate that she has gone unrecognized.

She happens to be a very good teacher too.

shanks · Post by **shanks** » 05 Jul 2006, 21:56

Mamava meenakshi by MSG in subhapantuvarali with Tiruchi Sankaran

http://rapidshare.de/files/25021266/mam ... i.mp3.html

srkris · Post by **srkris** » 06 Jul 2006, 02:37

Shanks
That was great. Here is the MP4 version of the same for people that are looking for smaller downloads (3MB vs 18MB)

http://rapidshare.de/files/25043478/Mamava.mp4.html

kiransurya · Post by **kiransurya** » 06 Jul 2006, 02:42

Cheers chembai..

mahesh3 · Post by **mahesh3** » 11 Jul 2006, 06:08

thanks kiransurya/shanks, i really enjoyed the tns/dwaram reneditions.

does anybody have a "sambho mahadeva" renedition in panthuvarali..besides BV Raman/Lakshmanan's which is also very satisfying. I can upload f there is interest...

abadri · Post by **abadri** » 12 Jul 2006, 01:51

does anybody have a "sambho mahadeva" renedition in panthuvarali..besides BV Raman/Lakshmanan's which is also very satisfying.

Mahesh, a personal favorite when it comes to pantuvarALi - Voleti
http://rapidshare.de/files/25577959/VVW ... i.mp3.html

A few other renditions
Chembai - http://rapidshare.de/files/25575805/CVB ... i.mp3.html
MSS - http://rapidshare.de/files/25576135/MSS ... i.mp3.html
Prof. TRS - http://rapidshare.de/files/25576947/TRS ... i.mp3.html

There's also one by Nedunuri available as part of the KGS archive releases
(I think it's his 1984 KGS concert).

If this doesn't really belong in a Subhapantuvarali thread please move it
to an appropriate location. Thanks.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 12 Jul 2006, 02:41

Aruna Sairam's shubha pantuvarali is an excercise in exploring the raga in a meditative mode--well worth hearing is this commercial release: EKAIKA RAGAM--ragam, thanam, and 'sri satyanarayanam'.
Times Music--2001...

mnsriram · Post by **mnsriram** » 14 Jul 2006, 02:58

Now here is a song no one else has sung so far... a truly classic piece in Sanskrit - Chembai with Alagiriswamy and TVG.

http://rapidshare.de/files/24676905/Kai ... i.mp3.html

Thanks srkris. Excellent piece. Never heard this one before. BTW, did you get to find the composer and/or lyrics for this composition?

srkris · Post by **srkris** » 14 Jul 2006, 09:47

MNS,

Yeah I got the composer. The sahitya is by (as is to be expected) Lalita Dasar i.e T.G.Krishna Iyer (Chembai himself therefore has set it to music in this raga). Maybe Lakshman can help with the sahitya, since I dont have it myself.

mnsriram · Post by **mnsriram** » 14 Jul 2006, 12:26

Thanks srkris

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 17 Jul 2006, 09:28

coolkarni,
Thanks for all the goodies.
Sowmya's singing of pasupatheeswaram is clear as a bell and soothing.
A no nonsense and chaste rendering reflective of her guru.
When I was in the pasupatheeswara temple in Nepal years ago, I was distressed by the disorderliness and disturbing noises in the temple (It was not my day?). Hearing Sowmya sing in a serene manner was redemption...

mahesh3 · Post by **mahesh3** » 17 Jul 2006, 09:37

srkris/abadri,

thanks much. Voletigaaru's panthuvarali rendering is class-A. Such selectivity and elegance in the alapana sangathis - seems to be a hallmark of Andhra musicians, be it Voleti, Nedunuri, Srirangam Gopalaratnam or even the latter day Malladi brothers.

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 17 Jul 2006, 13:43

a kalyanraman rtp

link: http://rapidshare.de/files/26059104/11- ... i.mp3.html

from a concert of 1968 accompanied by TNK - PALGHAT RGHU

(Recording is a bit indifferent , at some places)

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 19 Jul 2006, 07:40

http://rapidshare.de/files/26062132/46- ... 2.MP3.html

Vocalist · Post by **Vocalist** » 19 Jul 2006, 19:11

What's the pallavi line of the RTP please?

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 20 Jul 2006, 19:28

http://rapidshare.de/files/26389985/mal ... i.mp3.html

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 21 Jul 2006, 00:43

That's a great RTP!
Thanks Coolkarni.
It has begada and Neelambari if I am right.

mahesh3 · Post by **mahesh3** » 21 Jul 2006, 02:10

yea, thanks much, K-ji!

Mali, PMI, TNK, Subhapanthuvarali...toooooo many great things in one

Music · Post by **Music** » 21 Jul 2006, 20:36

I always find it difficult to listen to such ragas especially Subhapantuvarali, ones which evoke sad emotions. Revati comes under the same category. They can easily make you feel depressed. They are beautiful ragas that evoke strong emotions. There is a music lover friend of mine who on the contrary loves such ragas. It probably depends on the persons temperament. I remember TVS mentioning in an interview once that he likes to sing happy ragas and make people happy. That is probably his personality - he always wears a smile in most of his photographs.
Going back to subhapantuvarali - I want to listen to more of it, but not easy. Maybe if I try to listen to more of it, I might enjoy it more. Music undoubtedly has a strong effect on the mind. Any experiences?

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 21 Jul 2006, 23:41

I can listen to ragas which have sad emotions only when I am happy

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 22 Jul 2006, 00:42

Mmm, and when you are sad, is it a sad raga or happy raga that makes you happy, Suji?

Music, you are right. Different ragas appeal to different people. All the same, mostly, doesen't any good music make you feel happy and peaceful? I like shubha pantuvarali among other ragas--not a huge favorite. You might have read my earlier post about Sowmya singing it. I like her singing--again, she is not my most favorite singer. Yes, the raga can be a bit sad but I found her singing MD's Pasupateeswaram that coolji shared with us and instead of making me sad, her shubha pantuvarali brought me serenity. It depends on a composition too, I suppose. May be there are some weepy movie songs in the raga...

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 22 Jul 2006, 02:07

Arasi,
There is a difference between what feelings rAgAs can evoke and what one wants to listen in different moods.
It's really complicated.
I think it works at different levels for composers, singers/intrumentalists,and finally listeners.

When I feel down I don't listen to CM

Music · Post by **Music** » 22 Jul 2006, 23:22

You are right, Suji. Sometimes you need to be in a certain mood to listen to certain music.
There are many ragas that can be used to evoke varied feelings. E.g. while Mohana is generally used to express the nayaka-nayaki bhava, it could also be used to evoke veera rasa or even roudram. Whereas Sama, as far as I know always immediately generates shantam. Coming back to Shubhapantuvarali - this ragam again is not very versatile as far as the effect goes.

Arasi, I listened to Sowmya's rendition of Pashupateeswaram. Was good ideed. Haven't laid my hands on Aruna Sairam's RTP - would love to hear this raga in a meditative tone.

Vocalist · Post by **Vocalist** » 23 Jul 2006, 15:34

For those who heard S.Kalyanaraman's RTP, can someone write the words of the pallavi please? (not sure if I have this one)

I'm similar to Suji in a regard too. I only feel like singing/listening to sad rAgAs when I'm happy and vice versa. Not sure why...

Strangely, Revathi enters my mind when I'm frustrated though...

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 24 Jul 2006, 07:35

there are some excellent renditions of Miya ki Todi in the Hindusthani Section-under excellent renditions.

Mashqoor ali khan--- out of this world stuff !!

cml
you will love the harmonium accompaniment

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 24 Jul 2006, 10:04

talking of moods

AIR Dharwar has a great tradition of broadcasting an artists music for a day:
morning ragas at 8.30 am
afternoon ragas at 1.30pm
and night ragas at 10pm
on weekdays

Since my schedule in my younger days included escorting my uncle to his farm (driver of the scooter) , very often I would wait for him sitting in a vantage point watching the day unfold with the transistor on.... bullocks moving around , a train whistling past at a distance (he would have to do his daily stuff , talk to each cow or new plant/tree individually and that sort of thing

)

or in the late nights when the whole family would gather around our murphy set (mom, being the last to join).

Over a period of time I learnt to associate these ragas with these great moments in my life.

Three decades later , whenever these ragas unfold , those images waft slowly across my consciousness.
And now in a phase where sorrow and happiness are so intricately woven into each other . I am no longer able to feel just sorrow or just happiness.
It is only images and images.Hundreds and thousands of them..!!!

God Bless the souls who discovered the Raga...
Take it away from me , and I am as good as Dead. 8)

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 24 Jul 2006, 16:42

kailAsapatE. rAgA: shubhapantuvarALi. Adi tALA. Composer: Lalitadasar.

P: kailAsapatE paripAlayamAm karuNA jaladhE hE pashupatE
A: shailEsha sutAncita vAmAnga kalayE kaluSa timira patanga
C: gangAdhara hara varadApAnga angIkrta shUla Damaru kuranga
sangIta kalA rangAntaranga mangaLadA shrI lalitArdhAnga

srkris · Post by **srkris** » 24 Jul 2006, 20:03

Dear Lakshman,

Thanks for the sahitya, much appreciated as always.

kmrasika · Post by **kmrasika** » 28 Jul 2006, 07:48

Shri coolkarni sir,
could you please repost the neesamanamevaru by Radha Jayalakshmi link(http://rapidshare.de/files/24636372/rad ... arali_.mp3
)? Apparently theres an error with the URL provided. Thank you.

Also:

When I was in the pasupatheeswara temple in Nepal years ago

Pardon my ignorance, but isn't the temple in Nepal known as svayambhUnAth? I recall observing the dome with the painted face of a bird watching over the (Kathmandu) valley on a brochure not long ago.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 28 Jul 2006, 08:24

kmrasika,
There is a Pashupateeshwar temple in Nepal. I hear there is one in Karur, tamilnadu as well.

abadri · Post by **abadri** » 28 Jul 2006, 13:17

Shri coolkarni sir,
could you please repost the neesamanamevaru by Radha Jayalakshmi link(http://rapidshare.de/files/24636372/rad ... arali_.mp3
)? Apparently theres an error with the URL provided. Thank you.

http://rapidshare.de/files/27297526/Rad ... i.mp3.html

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 28 Jul 2006, 13:47

The solemnness of the song and raga makes R&J sound like Brinda & Muktha'ish..Very nice...

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 28 Jul 2006, 21:48

VK's comment prompted this:

'piranda kUTil irundum kiLLai parandiDa vashamillai
nAn piranda vITTil irundum yenakku sugam pera vazhi illai' from maNamagaL

"inda nADagam anda mEDaiyil yattanai nALLammA?" - from pAlum pazhamum (http://www.musicindiaonline.com/l/26/s/movie_name.5091)

are excellent examples of use of the this rAga to portray the mood of pathos in the movies mentioned.

If you read Radnor Guy's write up on MLV (posted by Meena http://www.rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=509) the setting for the song from maNamagaL will become clear......

Ravi

DrMrinalini · Post by **DrMrinalini** » 15 Aug 2006, 11:26

2 really beautiful Shubhapantuvarali pieces-ParipAhi mAm Sree DAs'arathE (Adi-Vasudevachar) & ManOnmaNi mandahAsini of Muthiah bhagavathar.