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Vid Sanjay Subramanyam - Vocal
Vid Nagai R Muralidharan - Violin
Vid Neyveli Venkatesh - Mrudangam
Vid Trichri Murali - Ghatam
8 Feb 2009, Sunday, 5.45pm
Venue - NMKRV College Bangalore
Sri Rama Lalitha kala mandira
1. sarasijanabha (varnam) - kambhoji - kanda ata (2 kalai)
2. kanchadalayatakshi - kamalamanohari - adi - muthuswami dikshitar (swara @ kanchadalaya)
3. raga sudharasa - andolika - misra chapu - thyagaraja (alapana, swara @ raga sudha)
4. arivar yaar unnai - mukhari - misra chapu - arunachala kavi
5. sive pahimam - kalyani - adi - thyagaraja (alapana, neraval & swaram @ characharanyi karavindamu & tani)
6. evvare ramayya - gangeyabhushani - adi - thyagaraja
7. pAdavendume isai - hamsanadam - rupakam - ? (swaram @ pAdavendume)
8. keeravani RTP - kanda triputa 2 kalai
pallavi - govinda alarmelmangai manala vaa tiruvenkata natha
1 aksharam eduppu
ragamalika swaram - bagesri, ?, darbari kanada
9. govardana giridhara - darbari kanada - adi - narayana tirtha
10. lalisidadu mahane yasode - desh & jaunpuri - adi - purandara dasa
11. viruttam
a. mUthavalE bhuvanam padinAngayum kAppavalE - ?
b. pettra tAi tanai - behag
c. vizhiku tunAi tirumen malar - dwijavanti
12. thillana - dwijavanthi
13. pavamana - sourastram - adi - thyagaraja
Awsome concert... Comment follows....
-hari
Vid Nagai R Muralidharan - Violin
Vid Neyveli Venkatesh - Mrudangam
Vid Trichri Murali - Ghatam
8 Feb 2009, Sunday, 5.45pm
Venue - NMKRV College Bangalore
Sri Rama Lalitha kala mandira
1. sarasijanabha (varnam) - kambhoji - kanda ata (2 kalai)
2. kanchadalayatakshi - kamalamanohari - adi - muthuswami dikshitar (swara @ kanchadalaya)
3. raga sudharasa - andolika - misra chapu - thyagaraja (alapana, swara @ raga sudha)
4. arivar yaar unnai - mukhari - misra chapu - arunachala kavi
5. sive pahimam - kalyani - adi - thyagaraja (alapana, neraval & swaram @ characharanyi karavindamu & tani)
6. evvare ramayya - gangeyabhushani - adi - thyagaraja
7. pAdavendume isai - hamsanadam - rupakam - ? (swaram @ pAdavendume)
8. keeravani RTP - kanda triputa 2 kalai
pallavi - govinda alarmelmangai manala vaa tiruvenkata natha
1 aksharam eduppu
ragamalika swaram - bagesri, ?, darbari kanada
9. govardana giridhara - darbari kanada - adi - narayana tirtha
10. lalisidadu mahane yasode - desh & jaunpuri - adi - purandara dasa
11. viruttam
a. mUthavalE bhuvanam padinAngayum kAppavalE - ?
b. pettra tAi tanai - behag
c. vizhiku tunAi tirumen malar - dwijavanti
12. thillana - dwijavanthi
13. pavamana - sourastram - adi - thyagaraja
Awsome concert... Comment follows....
-hari
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1. varnam started with each sahitya and chittaswara repeated for each avarthanam, and 2nd kalam singing. charanam was sung in 1 kalai
2. kanchadalaya was sung in madhyamakalam, no chittaswarams, most of the swaras were single cycle, the last one being lengthy, there was a karvai in 'Ni' and then merging to tara stayi shadjam. Nagai's reply was very good.
3. Andolika alapanai was done neatly but swara kalpana was little excessive in my opinion
4. kalyani alapanai was very imaginative for about 10 to 15 minutes, but thyagaraja kriti was sung in 1 kalai in madhyamakalam. Kalapramanam was little fast, and it could have been little slower. during kalpana swaram, Sanjay ended the swaras in tara stayi shadjam and held on to it, while Nagai replied to swaras. He did this couple of times. Tani avarthanam started at about 7.15pm, only few folks got up and walked out! Kuraipu swaras were from 3 cycle avarthanam onwards, and they played a 6 avarthana korvai to end. Thani was brisk and was for about 15 minutes
5. Sanjay then sang M.M.Dandapani desikar's pAdavendume isai in hamsanadam, and he intelligently sang swaras ending sa pa sa.. and then padavendume and also while ending sang like endrum isai padavendume, tamizh isai padavendume, nal isai padavendume
6. Today i wanted to hear a conventional RTP, and sanjay didn't disappoint me by taking up one of my favorite raga - keeravani - and elaborated it well. Thanam was also good and nagai supported him ably. Sanjay did trikalam, tisram etc.
7. The organizers held on to their speech until RTP is complete and kept it short. A great relief. In post RTP section, sanjay sang nice viruttams, in praise of godess devi, siva and subramanya and then thillana
A great evening indeed.... Got a chance to say Hi to arasi, jayan and vijay after concert...
-hari
2. kanchadalaya was sung in madhyamakalam, no chittaswarams, most of the swaras were single cycle, the last one being lengthy, there was a karvai in 'Ni' and then merging to tara stayi shadjam. Nagai's reply was very good.
3. Andolika alapanai was done neatly but swara kalpana was little excessive in my opinion
4. kalyani alapanai was very imaginative for about 10 to 15 minutes, but thyagaraja kriti was sung in 1 kalai in madhyamakalam. Kalapramanam was little fast, and it could have been little slower. during kalpana swaram, Sanjay ended the swaras in tara stayi shadjam and held on to it, while Nagai replied to swaras. He did this couple of times. Tani avarthanam started at about 7.15pm, only few folks got up and walked out! Kuraipu swaras were from 3 cycle avarthanam onwards, and they played a 6 avarthana korvai to end. Thani was brisk and was for about 15 minutes
5. Sanjay then sang M.M.Dandapani desikar's pAdavendume isai in hamsanadam, and he intelligently sang swaras ending sa pa sa.. and then padavendume and also while ending sang like endrum isai padavendume, tamizh isai padavendume, nal isai padavendume
6. Today i wanted to hear a conventional RTP, and sanjay didn't disappoint me by taking up one of my favorite raga - keeravani - and elaborated it well. Thanam was also good and nagai supported him ably. Sanjay did trikalam, tisram etc.
7. The organizers held on to their speech until RTP is complete and kept it short. A great relief. In post RTP section, sanjay sang nice viruttams, in praise of godess devi, siva and subramanya and then thillana
A great evening indeed.... Got a chance to say Hi to arasi, jayan and vijay after concert...
-hari
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Well - it sounded like Basant bahAr to me.. i wanted to be sure, as i am no expert - haven't heard much except maharajapuram santhanam's tillana.. I missed out subhapantuvarali though..braindrain wrote:Hari,
RTP swaras bhAgEsri , basant bahAr , darbAri kanaDa
10. It was in dEsh, jAunpuri and sindhubhairavi
11. viruttam - SubhapantuvarAli
-hari
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Thanks Hari - very exhaustive as usual. IIRC the second raga was Basant and not Basant Bahar. Basant Bahar I think is a "jod" of Basant and Bahar - former is basically Pantuvarali and the latter has the following swaras - S, R2, G2, M1, P, D2, N2, N3 in various combinations.
I thought the raga sung by Sanjay had only swaras of Pantuvarali mela but I could be wrong.
I thought the raga sung by Sanjay had only swaras of Pantuvarali mela but I could be wrong.
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Vijay,
Waiting for you to chime in. Nice seeing you in Bangalore too--here is a man whose stomping grounds extend from Mumbai to Sundarbans and from the (erstwhile) garden city to I don't know where in the north, and I don't envy him!
A sumptuous fare of a concert with quite a few from my wish list--aRivAr yAr unnai, pADa vENDumE, sari evvarE et al. Such rich rAgamAlikAs too.
That kalyaNi AlApanA was delicious. I have not heard Sanjay sing SivE pAhimAm before. kIravANi RTP had the added-on glow of rAgAs with bhAgESri, basant bahAr (I thought basant) and durbARi kAnaDa.
So nice to hear PD's kruti in three rAgAs. So, rAga sudhA rasa was an apt announcer of the plethora of ragAs which were to come.
Wasn't mUttavaLE in kOmaLAngi?
Kind of expected ohO kAlamE!, many of us in the audience and those who ascended the stage to garland the artistes just before tukkaDAs might have inspired Sanjay to sing that, I thought. He did not plan to sing sahAnA this evening, I suppose. Or, was it sahanE on his part!
NAgai played all the rAgAs extremely well, as one would expect, but his kalyANi was a bit lack lustre.
The more I hear Neyveli Venkatesh, the more I like him. A true accompanist, he is. His khanjira playing, I did miss this season. I think he is one of the best around.
A couple of us, who were at NSG's concert yesterday (a beautiful pUrvi KalyAni from him), felt cheated that the concert got lost (lasted a mere hour?) in a flood of speeches before and during the concert. So, while at Lalitha Kala Mandira one feels like a third-class citizen when it comes to getting the best seats--the Mandira offers such lovely concerts that you keep going there. The speech was so short here in contrast to what we put up with yesterday. We have to applaud the organizer for that.
A quiz question: why is it that an englishman we know has only been to half the concerts he would have liked to have attended?
Fear of speeches...
Waiting for you to chime in. Nice seeing you in Bangalore too--here is a man whose stomping grounds extend from Mumbai to Sundarbans and from the (erstwhile) garden city to I don't know where in the north, and I don't envy him!
A sumptuous fare of a concert with quite a few from my wish list--aRivAr yAr unnai, pADa vENDumE, sari evvarE et al. Such rich rAgamAlikAs too.
That kalyaNi AlApanA was delicious. I have not heard Sanjay sing SivE pAhimAm before. kIravANi RTP had the added-on glow of rAgAs with bhAgESri, basant bahAr (I thought basant) and durbARi kAnaDa.
So nice to hear PD's kruti in three rAgAs. So, rAga sudhA rasa was an apt announcer of the plethora of ragAs which were to come.
Wasn't mUttavaLE in kOmaLAngi?
Kind of expected ohO kAlamE!, many of us in the audience and those who ascended the stage to garland the artistes just before tukkaDAs might have inspired Sanjay to sing that, I thought. He did not plan to sing sahAnA this evening, I suppose. Or, was it sahanE on his part!
NAgai played all the rAgAs extremely well, as one would expect, but his kalyANi was a bit lack lustre.
The more I hear Neyveli Venkatesh, the more I like him. A true accompanist, he is. His khanjira playing, I did miss this season. I think he is one of the best around.
A couple of us, who were at NSG's concert yesterday (a beautiful pUrvi KalyAni from him), felt cheated that the concert got lost (lasted a mere hour?) in a flood of speeches before and during the concert. So, while at Lalitha Kala Mandira one feels like a third-class citizen when it comes to getting the best seats--the Mandira offers such lovely concerts that you keep going there. The speech was so short here in contrast to what we put up with yesterday. We have to applaud the organizer for that.
A quiz question: why is it that an englishman we know has only been to half the concerts he would have liked to have attended?
Fear of speeches...
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Sanjay links in the last raga of the RTP with the next song and does a similar thing with the viruththam. A few data points do not necessary make a pattern but it was an 'aha' moment when that held out in this case( knuckles extended for focussing on song list
). How long has he been doing this? Is it only Sanjay who does this?

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Hi,
I came in to the concert with Nagai playing Kalyani. So I missed the rich pre-main session.
Actually when I started I thought Iam going to miss the begining as somehow I always reach this venue
with no clear clue on how to get there from East of Blore. And I had this feeling that I have heard him twice
in Jan09 , so may be I can miss this. I made a few mistakes in choosing the right route. Finally I reached
the venue at 715pm almost an hour late.
Thanks hari for the elaborate review.
I have the kanchadalayatakshi in his commercial release, but I still would like to listen to him in live. Andolika is a
definite miss for me. I have heard this from GNB with raga Alapana.
When I entered the hall , he started on the Kalyani piece , and it was a great feeling listening to hear his voice, already Perfected
by the begining session. His neraval in kalyani was excellent and the end cycle was breathtaking. Normally he doesnot
take this long end phrase in neraval without taking breadth. Usually Kalyani is not current fav, but I liked it today.
And swarams he kept the speed like hari said. At one point he sang to remind unnal Mudiyum thambi- yenna samayalo
song. Then he used 'thalli or Lille' as the end phrase like MMI. And then he came out it both quickly , but he just highlighted.
Not sure whether any one observed it.
And then "Padavendume Isai" ... The song he sang in MMU-JayaTV -2009 season. The swarams were beautiful.
And he ended with that statement (tamil isai paadav ..) and I read it like what he said in one of the interview that " nowadays vidwans
sing tamil music because they like it , not out of compulsion like those (Kalki) days".. May be I am reading too much between lines.
Like Hari said, I also wanted to hear conventional RTP. I am not sure how Sanjay reads rasikas mind. But probably he thought of this strategy
after giving chandragauns and Patdip in a span of one month in Blore, it is time to go conventional. When he started it , I was reminded
of MSS and MMI , not of their style, but I have heard their RTP in this raga so many times, And this raga will haunt you making you hum
this for next two days and He gave a similar effect. Thanam was excellent and I felt Nagai read and repeated Sanjay and it gave him
more applause. I had to leave in the middle of the pallavi due to bus availability and I felt that Sanjay's concerts can never be missed.
I came in to the concert with Nagai playing Kalyani. So I missed the rich pre-main session.
Actually when I started I thought Iam going to miss the begining as somehow I always reach this venue
with no clear clue on how to get there from East of Blore. And I had this feeling that I have heard him twice
in Jan09 , so may be I can miss this. I made a few mistakes in choosing the right route. Finally I reached
the venue at 715pm almost an hour late.
Thanks hari for the elaborate review.
I have the kanchadalayatakshi in his commercial release, but I still would like to listen to him in live. Andolika is a
definite miss for me. I have heard this from GNB with raga Alapana.
When I entered the hall , he started on the Kalyani piece , and it was a great feeling listening to hear his voice, already Perfected
by the begining session. His neraval in kalyani was excellent and the end cycle was breathtaking. Normally he doesnot
take this long end phrase in neraval without taking breadth. Usually Kalyani is not current fav, but I liked it today.
And swarams he kept the speed like hari said. At one point he sang to remind unnal Mudiyum thambi- yenna samayalo
song. Then he used 'thalli or Lille' as the end phrase like MMI. And then he came out it both quickly , but he just highlighted.
Not sure whether any one observed it.
And then "Padavendume Isai" ... The song he sang in MMU-JayaTV -2009 season. The swarams were beautiful.
And he ended with that statement (tamil isai paadav ..) and I read it like what he said in one of the interview that " nowadays vidwans
sing tamil music because they like it , not out of compulsion like those (Kalki) days".. May be I am reading too much between lines.
Like Hari said, I also wanted to hear conventional RTP. I am not sure how Sanjay reads rasikas mind. But probably he thought of this strategy
after giving chandragauns and Patdip in a span of one month in Blore, it is time to go conventional. When he started it , I was reminded
of MSS and MMI , not of their style, but I have heard their RTP in this raga so many times, And this raga will haunt you making you hum
this for next two days and He gave a similar effect. Thanam was excellent and I felt Nagai read and repeated Sanjay and it gave him
more applause. I had to leave in the middle of the pallavi due to bus availability and I felt that Sanjay's concerts can never be missed.
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Vijay, You are right, and I must have got the name wrong. He sang the hindustani equivalent of pantuvarali.vijay wrote:Thanks Hari - very exhaustive as usual. IIRC the second raga was Basant and not Basant Bahar. Basant Bahar I think is a "jod" of Basant and Bahar - former is basically Pantuvarali and the latter has the following swaras - S, R2, G2, M1, P, D2, N2, N3 in various combinations.
I thought the raga sung by Sanjay had only swaras of Pantuvarali mela but I could be wrong.
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I could only spot Arasi madam I think.. If I am not wrong, ma'am were you sitting in the right side seats.. probably the second from the right in that row. I remember you standing up and waving hands at someone just before the concert start...s_hari wrote:
A great evening indeed.... Got a chance to say Hi to arasi, jayan and vijay after concert...
-hari
Sad that I missed my chance to say Hi to those forumites who were present in the concert!
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Sorry ganeshkant that we couldn't say hello to each other. Yes, I did stand up and turn around to greet someone, and you got me 'spot' on! (towards the right, second from the exit)!
pUriyA dhanASri came to mind too, but basant was what I thought it was. Deepsand can perhaps verify. Wonder if he is reading this.
pUriyA dhanASri came to mind too, but basant was what I thought it was. Deepsand can perhaps verify. Wonder if he is reading this.
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Arasi ma'amarasi wrote:Sorry ganeshkant that we couldn't say hello to each other. Yes, I did stand up and turn around to greet someone, and you got me 'spot' on! (towards the right, second from the exit)!
pUriyA dhanASri came to mind too, but basant was what I thought it was. Deepsand can perhaps verify. Wonder if he is reading this.
That isn't Ganeshkanth.. It was Arulalan, who recognized u and still ended up not saying a hello!!
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Ganesh, I wasn't aware that Basant had M1 but I looked up Parrikar and he says some versions use it. Indeed my initial guess was Lalith and Sanjay may well have used it himself.
As for the raga, it cannot be Puriya Dhanashree either - although the swaras correspond with Pantuvarali (and of the Poorvi thaat ragas, it is perhaps the closest to Pantuvarali as we know it), it is a different animal. MRG, for instance, is a key refrain which was completely absent in Sanjay's swaras (I was looking out for it once the Purvi allegiance was established). The way S N D P was intoned was, I thought, very characteristic of Basant.
I would therefore put my money on Basant with a small allowance for Purvi. It would be good if some expert could clarify or if a small clip is uploaded. Coming to the concert:
Andholika made the day for me - althought swaras were fast, as Hari notes, singing melkaalam swaras in the raga can be dicey becase the arohana and avarohana use different swaras (i. e P in ascent and D in descent) - Sanjay's scorching delivery spoke of a very high level of swara gnanam. The sangathis were also power packed - some of them, no doubt, involving musical license
Kalyani alaapana was one of the best I've heard in recent times but he appeared to overstay his welcome on the nishaadam which appeared disproportionate to its population in the krithi. I agree with some of the others that the choice of krithi could have been better - this was surely not composed with the "main" slot in mind! A heavier krithi, esp one of Deekshitar's would have been better considering the length of the alaapana.
Tani avartanam was on the whole quite absorbing with koraippu in mishram and an elaborate korvai. Howeer, Neyveli Venkatesh thoppi exhibition (he played for a minute or so using only the left hand) did not quite come off, possibly because the mike was not properly positioned/amplified - it was barely audible...
I was sort of looking forward to some new Hindustani raga but the swaras in the pallavi were exclusiely Hindustani. Kiravani completely eschewed northern flavours but the closing phrases ending in the G to M region were somewhat unorthodox.
It was good to see Sanjay return to the time-tested pattern of Trikaalam/Tisram instead of fusing the taanam with a bhajan etc. While this was partly the case here, the Dasar padam came only after the pallavi was exhaustively explored. In response to VK's question - yes, he often does this and I am not sure he has company on that front. Last raga of a vruttham followed by a tukkada is fairly standard though.
All in all, a very satisfying evening - good to meet up with Hari, Jeyan, Arasi madam and Mr. Krishnan! Sadly I am back in Mumbai and will have to miss Neela Ramgopal's concert...
As for the raga, it cannot be Puriya Dhanashree either - although the swaras correspond with Pantuvarali (and of the Poorvi thaat ragas, it is perhaps the closest to Pantuvarali as we know it), it is a different animal. MRG, for instance, is a key refrain which was completely absent in Sanjay's swaras (I was looking out for it once the Purvi allegiance was established). The way S N D P was intoned was, I thought, very characteristic of Basant.
I would therefore put my money on Basant with a small allowance for Purvi. It would be good if some expert could clarify or if a small clip is uploaded. Coming to the concert:
Andholika made the day for me - althought swaras were fast, as Hari notes, singing melkaalam swaras in the raga can be dicey becase the arohana and avarohana use different swaras (i. e P in ascent and D in descent) - Sanjay's scorching delivery spoke of a very high level of swara gnanam. The sangathis were also power packed - some of them, no doubt, involving musical license

Kalyani alaapana was one of the best I've heard in recent times but he appeared to overstay his welcome on the nishaadam which appeared disproportionate to its population in the krithi. I agree with some of the others that the choice of krithi could have been better - this was surely not composed with the "main" slot in mind! A heavier krithi, esp one of Deekshitar's would have been better considering the length of the alaapana.
Tani avartanam was on the whole quite absorbing with koraippu in mishram and an elaborate korvai. Howeer, Neyveli Venkatesh thoppi exhibition (he played for a minute or so using only the left hand) did not quite come off, possibly because the mike was not properly positioned/amplified - it was barely audible...
I was sort of looking forward to some new Hindustani raga but the swaras in the pallavi were exclusiely Hindustani. Kiravani completely eschewed northern flavours but the closing phrases ending in the G to M region were somewhat unorthodox.
It was good to see Sanjay return to the time-tested pattern of Trikaalam/Tisram instead of fusing the taanam with a bhajan etc. While this was partly the case here, the Dasar padam came only after the pallavi was exhaustively explored. In response to VK's question - yes, he often does this and I am not sure he has company on that front. Last raga of a vruttham followed by a tukkada is fairly standard though.
All in all, a very satisfying evening - good to meet up with Hari, Jeyan, Arasi madam and Mr. Krishnan! Sadly I am back in Mumbai and will have to miss Neela Ramgopal's concert...
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PooththavaLe bhuvanam padhnangaiyum - is Abirami Andhadhi.
Sanjay has got the habit of repeating the songs, rendered in his recent past. Since it is a different place, different rasikas, it is ok. Mukhari, Hamsanadham, gangeyabhushani, K.manohari- I have listened recently. Neverthless, his rendition is always superb.
Sanjay has got the habit of repeating the songs, rendered in his recent past. Since it is a different place, different rasikas, it is ok. Mukhari, Hamsanadham, gangeyabhushani, K.manohari- I have listened recently. Neverthless, his rendition is always superb.
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gsastrigaL,
A performer can't please all the rasikAs at all times. Like me, you seem to look for new krutis in a concert. There are others who cannot take more than one new (to them) kruti in a concert. Reasons? Many.They are 1: such classicists, they cannot relish any song other than those composed by the Trinity. 2: not anything other than the songs in their chosen language (s). 3: Others, like some who will not leave their home town, street, ancestral home for anything, will only feel comfortable listening to the songs they got familiar with when they were growing up.
Yet, I haven't found any rasikA who likes an 'all new songs' concert. It cheats one out of guessing and betting during the AlApanAas as to which song is going to ensue, I suppose!
We know repetitions are inevitable in the case of very busy vocalists. Yet, we do know that if we get a hang of the singer's song list (made once by him, used by him in every concert!), we may not go to listen to him again!
Ah! We rasikAs are a complicated lot. As a rule, a judicious mix of both the old and the new makes the audience happy--not all of them, though!
Sanjay is among those vocalists whose repertoire of the classic krutis is vast, he also seems to be keen on adding new songs to his storehouse...
A performer can't please all the rasikAs at all times. Like me, you seem to look for new krutis in a concert. There are others who cannot take more than one new (to them) kruti in a concert. Reasons? Many.They are 1: such classicists, they cannot relish any song other than those composed by the Trinity. 2: not anything other than the songs in their chosen language (s). 3: Others, like some who will not leave their home town, street, ancestral home for anything, will only feel comfortable listening to the songs they got familiar with when they were growing up.
Yet, I haven't found any rasikA who likes an 'all new songs' concert. It cheats one out of guessing and betting during the AlApanAas as to which song is going to ensue, I suppose!
We know repetitions are inevitable in the case of very busy vocalists. Yet, we do know that if we get a hang of the singer's song list (made once by him, used by him in every concert!), we may not go to listen to him again!
Ah! We rasikAs are a complicated lot. As a rule, a judicious mix of both the old and the new makes the audience happy--not all of them, though!
Sanjay is among those vocalists whose repertoire of the classic krutis is vast, he also seems to be keen on adding new songs to his storehouse...
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I agree about proper proportion of rAgA and svarams in presenting a kruti. Still, welook for lots of creative expression in a main piece. After all, we listen to a two liner in a HM concert which is top heavy with rAgA delienation. As for the kruti being minor--aren't almost all of the long songs sung only with one caraNam in concerts? Is it because we are not 'used' to a kruti which makes us notice this?
Take T's compositions which are taken up for a main. But for a handful of them, they are just as short. Does not being familiar with them give us this feeling? Another thing that we come across (both with the audience and some singers) is that tamizh krutis belong in the second half of the concert. MMI, MSS and a few others did not feel that way. As for Sanjay, he is including more and more of tamizh krutis, and sometimes sings them in the first half of his concert as well.
Take T's compositions which are taken up for a main. But for a handful of them, they are just as short. Does not being familiar with them give us this feeling? Another thing that we come across (both with the audience and some singers) is that tamizh krutis belong in the second half of the concert. MMI, MSS and a few others did not feel that way. As for Sanjay, he is including more and more of tamizh krutis, and sometimes sings them in the first half of his concert as well.
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Arasi it is not only the length but also the "heaviness", admittedly a term that eludes definition. Length is part of the story - I guess a long 2 kalai krithi will generally give the impression of being heavy even if its musical value is negligible! However in this case, I did think that considering the exhaustive alaapana some other krithi - say, even the Saint's own Ethavunara, Enduko Neemanasu or Nidhi Tsala are better.
Krithis like Amma Ravamma and Isa Pahimam are more appropriate, I feel, for 1-2 down with a short alaapana and a crisp swaras. Of course this is just what we generally expect but I see some merit in preversing the prime slot for an elaborate/landmark composition.
Krithis like Amma Ravamma and Isa Pahimam are more appropriate, I feel, for 1-2 down with a short alaapana and a crisp swaras. Of course this is just what we generally expect but I see some merit in preversing the prime slot for an elaborate/landmark composition.
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I see what you mean. Not a vAsudEvayani but a kamalAmbAm bhajarE? In that, perhaps an MD kruti would qualify ever so easily. On the other hand, however lofty koluvaiyunnADE is and suits a main perfectly, yArO ivar yArO can do just as well. A lesser song, some may think because it is in tamizh and is not a trinity kruti. There is no guarantee either that a truly major composition can make it to the major league if it is sung with no azhuttam.
Coming back to Sanjay, his yArO ivar yArO can be just as apt for a main as any heavy song from the Trinity treasure chest....
Coming back to Sanjay, his yArO ivar yArO can be just as apt for a main as any heavy song from the Trinity treasure chest....
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I am not too hung up on Trinity/Non Trinity or the language - Koniyadina, Nijadasavarada etc. for example are excellent non-trinity krithis in Telugu. Several Tamil songs like Karthikeya Gangeya, Thiruvadi CHaranam are masterpieces in their respective ragas. Yaro Ivar Yaaro is an excellent choice too
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Agreed. I have no complants against Sanjay's practice. But when this practice is not followed by Vijay Siva or TMK, it becomes a point to mention. They tend to throw new kritis or new ragas and see that previous 2-3 concerts kritis are not repeated, even it is in different place.
For me, I like all of them and their rendering. Sanjay is not wrong since we have been listening Todi from TNR period, still we don't find the depth of that raga and also if we listen SSI's 5 concerts, there will be a repeat of Kshinamai or Marubalga or at leasat Parulana mata.
For me, I like all of them and their rendering. Sanjay is not wrong since we have been listening Todi from TNR period, still we don't find the depth of that raga and also if we listen SSI's 5 concerts, there will be a repeat of Kshinamai or Marubalga or at leasat Parulana mata.
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In this global communications age, there is a trend not to repeat krithis in series of concerts. Sometimes, there is some beauty in repeating a core set of krithis atleast over a span of a year or so.
For e.g. I do not think folks get tired of curd rice for dinner.
Sive Pahimam is a beautiful krithi in Kalyani, and has been rendered melodiously by Flute Mali and Madurai Somu. They usually render this as a sub-main item in a concert.
For e.g. I do not think folks get tired of curd rice for dinner.
Sive Pahimam is a beautiful krithi in Kalyani, and has been rendered melodiously by Flute Mali and Madurai Somu. They usually render this as a sub-main item in a concert.
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grsastrigal,
Your statement
"I have no complants against Sanjay's practice. But when this practice is not followed by Vijay Siva or TMK, it becomes a point to mention" is irresponsible and mind boggling. The artists you have mentioned are driven by entirely different genetic imperatives despite their sharing a common music, a striking example of the variety of our musical system. No one sets a trend with any expectations. It is time that will predict. That is art at its finest!
I think we develop a civilized approach to music and appreciate different artists’ fare and stop comparing them whether they are a classicist, a romanticist, or anything in between in any genre of music. Again it is not about song lists at all… If we care to look for there is a metaphysical component involved in terms of how he/she shapes a particular krithi, may be for the nth time, who cares, into a master piece by burnishing and molding it to ring fresh and presents the nuances of the raga with effortless felicity. Isn’t it a sign of an enduring artistry? Yes, it is the collective experience of this melodic ecosystem that we must cherish.
Artists are not 6 sigmas (Yes, they may try to prove otherwise). In a recent December season concert there were many requests from fans which the artist willingly obliged. There are many factors involved, i guess, for concert planning. Let’s enjoy their enchanting music as they guide us into a mystic realm of melody thro their spontaneity.. Remember waking up in the middle of the night while hosting one of the stalwart of yesteryears, and hunting for some musical value as he snored off blissfully! I was indeed pleasantly surprised on what I heard! Please, let’s not miss the enchanting woods in search of trees! Time for some introspection from our part!
Your statement
"I have no complants against Sanjay's practice. But when this practice is not followed by Vijay Siva or TMK, it becomes a point to mention" is irresponsible and mind boggling. The artists you have mentioned are driven by entirely different genetic imperatives despite their sharing a common music, a striking example of the variety of our musical system. No one sets a trend with any expectations. It is time that will predict. That is art at its finest!
I think we develop a civilized approach to music and appreciate different artists’ fare and stop comparing them whether they are a classicist, a romanticist, or anything in between in any genre of music. Again it is not about song lists at all… If we care to look for there is a metaphysical component involved in terms of how he/she shapes a particular krithi, may be for the nth time, who cares, into a master piece by burnishing and molding it to ring fresh and presents the nuances of the raga with effortless felicity. Isn’t it a sign of an enduring artistry? Yes, it is the collective experience of this melodic ecosystem that we must cherish.
Artists are not 6 sigmas (Yes, they may try to prove otherwise). In a recent December season concert there were many requests from fans which the artist willingly obliged. There are many factors involved, i guess, for concert planning. Let’s enjoy their enchanting music as they guide us into a mystic realm of melody thro their spontaneity.. Remember waking up in the middle of the night while hosting one of the stalwart of yesteryears, and hunting for some musical value as he snored off blissfully! I was indeed pleasantly surprised on what I heard! Please, let’s not miss the enchanting woods in search of trees! Time for some introspection from our part!
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Those who stick to the old and venture into the new, those who think there aren't just beginnings and ends to music but take a journey to explore more, those who know that their music does not stop with them but will find expression in their students and then in theirs--are those who will make an imprint in the pages of musical history...
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Thanks, kedharam, but tell me about this 'all requests' concert of Sanjay. Which one was it?
How does one go about 'requesting' one's favorites with any performer? I do not want to be a chit-giver who are a distraction. I don't know if E-mailing helps. Unless it is a coincidence, I don't think the performers are that obliging. It is their own agenda they stick to, I think. Chit-givers sometimes win because they operate towards the end of the concert and tukkaDAs are easy to fit in. I have asked for very few requests in all these years and alas, they have not been heeded to (and I am not talking about my own compositions--you only have to go to the other thread to see how even classics are trashed by us for various valid reasons!).
How nice it really would be, if performers give an all requests concert once in a while when they invite concert goers to send in rquests and choose their songs from them! Blogger-musicians all, please take note...
How does one go about 'requesting' one's favorites with any performer? I do not want to be a chit-giver who are a distraction. I don't know if E-mailing helps. Unless it is a coincidence, I don't think the performers are that obliging. It is their own agenda they stick to, I think. Chit-givers sometimes win because they operate towards the end of the concert and tukkaDAs are easy to fit in. I have asked for very few requests in all these years and alas, they have not been heeded to (and I am not talking about my own compositions--you only have to go to the other thread to see how even classics are trashed by us for various valid reasons!).
How nice it really would be, if performers give an all requests concert once in a while when they invite concert goers to send in rquests and choose their songs from them! Blogger-musicians all, please take note...
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Kedharam- Iam just comparing two artists and way of singing. One with new kritis and another with repeated kritis. There was nothing "irresponsbile or mind boggling" statement as you said.
This comparision we have been making many times with many artists. So far the quality is not the casuality, we will always be listening.
This comparision we have been making many times with many artists. So far the quality is not the casuality, we will always be listening.