In honor of varalakshmI vratam

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Post by rshankar » 05 Aug 2006, 01:42

We used to have a practice of musically celebrating various pUjAs:
Well, today is varalakshmI vratam celebrated by many, but not all.
So, here are a few compositions that I think are addressed to divine mother as varalakshmi:

Starting with the one of my favorites: MSS rendering srI varalakshmI of MD:

http://rapidshare.de/files/28198653/2-0 ... m.m4a.html

The next is the dulcet tones of MLV singing varalakshmI namOstutE of MV in gowrimanOhari:

http://rapidshare.de/files/28199164/08_ ... 1.m4a.html

The next couple are grand compositions of the Royal Composer of Mysore Jayachamarajendra Odeyar - they were discussed very exhaustively by DRS:
http://rapidshare.de/files/28199484/01_ ... I.m4a.html

http://rapidshare.de/files/28200075/pAh ... a.mp3.html

Please share other pieces to celebrate this vratam musically.

Ravi
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Post by cmlover » 05 Aug 2006, 01:57

Wonderful revival Shankar!
Indeed we used to celebrate all festivals musically until some **** threw a spanner in our rasika community. Now let us revive the tradition and pay our homage to the deities as well as our great musicians. Of course we have to be cautious about what we post. Pl post stotras as well so that we may relish the 'bhakti' spirit immanent in CM! Also share purana stories as well as anecdotes relating to the festivals too! VaralakShmi vratam primarily evolved from Andhra though celebrated all over the south. Can we have from our Telugu folks the origin as well as the way it is traditionally celebrated therein? Is it true that it is a tradition passed on in the family through the women and that it pasees unbroken through the generations ?

Thanks again!
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Post by rshankar » 05 Aug 2006, 02:08

cmlover wrote:Is it true that it is a tradition passed on in the family through the women and that it pasees unbroken through the generations ?
CML,
I was not aware of that practice - not so in our family...
Ravi
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Post by rshankar » 05 Aug 2006, 02:11

BTW, I am sure everyone reallizes that the Maharaja in his usual fashion treats durgA lakshmI saraswatI (malai magaL, alai magaL, and kalai magaL) interchangeably unlike MD and MV...
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Post by drshrikaanth » 05 Aug 2006, 02:23

rshankar wrote:BTW, I am sure everyone reallizes that the Maharaja in his usual fashion treats durgA lakshmI saraswatI (malai magaL, alai magaL, and kalai magaL) interchangeably unlike MD and MV...
Ravi
That is not quite correct Ravi. MD does treat the dEvis as one and the same in many kRtis.
For e.g

gItavAdyavinOdinIm girijAm tAm indirAm in hiraNmayIm lakSmIm, rAga lalita.
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Post by meena » 05 Aug 2006, 02:28

cml/shankar

This is how my fam. practice.
once u start doing varalakshmi vratha u cannot break- meaning u cannot skip a year of not doing the pooja.
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Post by drshrikaanth » 05 Aug 2006, 02:31

meena wrote:once u start doing varalakshmi vratha u cannot break- meaning u cannot skip a year of not doing the pooja.
Right Meena. Its like the anantana vrata among kannDigas. Once you start, you should not stop. And should be passed on to anothrt person who will do it with Sraddhe.
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Post by rshankar » 05 Aug 2006, 02:43

gItavAdyavinOdinIm girijAm tAm indirAm in hiraNmayIm lakSmIm, rAga lalita.
True: I should have qualified that I was talking about the kritIs that I posted in the first post...

Meena,
In our family, the vratam has been passed down from MIL to DIL.....No clue who my wife will pass it on to!

Ravi
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Post by drshrikaanth » 05 Aug 2006, 02:46

You are right Ravi. My sister too had it passed on to her by her MIL. Same dilemma there too. Who will she pass it on to next! :)
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Post by ramakriya » 05 Aug 2006, 02:55

drshrikaanth wrote:
rshankar wrote:BTW, I am sure everyone reallizes that the Maharaja in his usual fashion treats durgA lakshmI saraswatI (malai magaL, alai magaL, and kalai magaL) interchangeably unlike MD and MV...
Ravi
That is not quite correct Ravi. MD does treat the dEvis as one and the same in many kRtis.
For e.g
gItavAdyavinOdinIm girijAm tAm indirAm in hiraNmayIm lakSmIm, rAga lalita.
Even though I agree that Saraswati/Gouri/Lakshmi have been treated as one in many musical compositions,
for the charaNa line in hiraNmayIm there is a paThantara as girijAptAm indirAm


p.s: Feels very good to be back in the forum!

-Ramakriya
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Post by drshrikaanth » 05 Aug 2006, 03:06

ramakriya wrote:for the charaNa line in [/b]hiraNmayIm there is a paThantara as girijAptAm indirAm
-Ramakriya

The SSP gives girijAm tAm indirAm only. My impression is that the pAThAntara was created by well-meaning people who read girijAm tAm as girijAntAm and corrected it to make sense.
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Post by ramakriya » 05 Aug 2006, 03:08

Ended the post too soon -

I have heard the line sung as follows - and I thought it made perfect sense - since it calls
Lakshmi as one who is dear to girijA, rather than Lakshmi being the daugher of giri.

gIta vAdyavinOdinIm girijAptAm indirAm

Haven't checked references though.

-Ramakriya

p.s: BTW, I am not able to bold the lines in spite of using the tags. Why?
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Post by drshrikaanth » 05 Aug 2006, 03:09

MD was an advaitin and he did not differentiate betwen the deities. It makes perfect sense to see why he called lakShmi as "None other than girijA/pArvati".
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Post by drshrikaanth » 05 Aug 2006, 03:21

Take a look at a few more examples
rAga- mAnji
shrI sarasvatI hitE SivE cidAnandE SivasahitE

Andd in mahAlakShmi karuNArasalahari- rAga- mAdhavamanOhari

kShIrasAgara sutE vEdanutE
kShitISAdi mahitE Siva sahitE
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Post by meena » 05 Aug 2006, 03:21

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Post by drshrikaanth » 05 Aug 2006, 03:26

And the ever popular "kAmAkShi SrI varalakShmi kamalAlShi jayalakShmi".
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Post by ramakriya » 05 Aug 2006, 03:38

But in srI sarasvatI hitE, I think sarasvatI is not equated to shivE, but the compound word "sarasvatI hitE"
is equated to shivE. If not, there will be difficulty in interpreting 'hitE'.


-Ramakriya

P: shrI sarasvatI hitE shivE cidAnandE shivasahitE

A: vAsavAdimahitE vAsanAdi rahitE

C: kAmakOTinilayE karadhRta maNivalayE kOmaLatara hRdayE guruguhOdayE mAmava sadayE
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Post by drshrikaanth » 05 Aug 2006, 03:40

Ramakriya
It is not at all difficult to interpret hitE. But I shall leave it to you to discern and decide for yourself.
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Post by Suji Ram » 05 Aug 2006, 03:52

http://www.carnatica.net/nvr/vara.pdf

Nine gems..
my favorite Bhagyada Lakshmi..
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Post by cmlover » 05 Aug 2006, 04:42

meena/shankar

I have been told that you cannot start the vratam unless you can have it traced in the line on the husband's or wife's side. In other words you cannot just start it on your own since there is a tradition! So is it possible that those who celebrate it in TN and elsewhere had some Andhra connection in the distant past? Any historical anecdotes?

Thanks suji for that interesting puranic references from Hindu!

Incidentally I noticed that the special songs sung on the occasion are mostly telugu (traditionally) (I know this through my wife's relatives) and they have to learn them willy-nilly! Also do folks from Andhra have a 'taali' like the Tamils (I understand they use what is called a 'karugu maNi' in its place!). The doragranti used on the occasion is not a taali (am I right?).
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Post by drshrikaanth » 05 Aug 2006, 04:53

cmlover wrote:Also do folks from Andhra have a 'taali' like the Tamils (I understand they use what is called a 'karugu maNi' in its place!). The doragranti used on the occasion is not a taali (am I right?).
The karimaNi sara is sacrosanct for kannaDigas also and is part of the mangaLa sUtra/mANgalya/tALi. There are also special golden pendants(mANgalya) made in particlar shapes depending on the community that HAS to be part of the mAngaya. karimaNi and guNDu and mAngalya should all be present in the mangaLa sUtra. of course in an emergency "ariSinada kone"(manjaL vEr) can be tied in place of the sUtra. What exactly do you mean by tALi.
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Post by rshankar » 05 Aug 2006, 05:16

cmlover wrote:Incidentally I noticed that the special songs sung on the occasion are mostly telugu (traditionally) (I know this through my wife's relatives) and they have to learn them willy-nilly! Also do folks from Andhra have a 'taali' like the Tamils (I understand they use what is called a 'karugu maNi' in its place!). The doragranti used on the occasion is not a taali (am I right?).
I think there is a tAli - pottu - in AP. Correct me if I am wrong. Most Hindu communities in India came up with the concept of the tAlI so that married 'sumangalIs' could be spared the pillaging that maurading islamic troops left in their wake. The mAngalya dhAraNam is sanctified by a shlOkam and not a vEdic chant/mantra for that reason.

The dOragrathI is not a tAlI ...it is a much thinner yellow thread with nine knots or granthIs in it. During the pUja, the granthIs/knots are made and a spot of kumkumam is placed on each knot chanting the dOragranthi pUja:
kamalAyai namaha prathamagranthim pUjayAmil
ramAyai namaha dvitIyagranthim.........l
lOkmAtrE namaha.......l
vishwajananyai namaha......l
mahAlakshmyai namaha.....l
kshIrAbdhitanayAyai......l
vishwasAkshiNyai namaha.....l
chandrasahOdaryai namaha......l
harivallabhAyai namaha.....l

After this, the first dOragranthi is offered to varalakshmI...and the remaining are tied around the right hands of women and girls in the family. I do not know exactly what the 9 knots denote.

I have always suspected that as a family we do have some ties to AP...not really sure why, but just a feeling.

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Post by drshrikaanth » 05 Aug 2006, 05:25

rshankar wrote:Most Hindu communities in India came up with the concept of the tAlI so that married 'sumangalIs' could be spared the pillaging that maurading islamic troops left in their wake. The mAngalya dhAraNam is sanctified by a shlOkam and not a vEdic chant/mantra for that reason.--Ravi
This is incorrect Ravi. I remeber you said the same thing in my thread> There are vedic mantras/references and maybe a new thread should be started.
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Post by rshankar » 05 Aug 2006, 05:27

drshrikaanth wrote:This is incorrect Ravi. I remeber you said the same thing in my thread> There are vedic mantras/references and maybe a new thread should be started.
Sounds like a good idea...
Go ahead and educate us.
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