innum parAmukham - begada lyrics needed

s_hari · Post by **s_hari** » 19 Oct 2009, 06:28

Can someone post lyrics of this song?

innum parAmukham - begada - rupakam - doraiswamy kavirAyar

-hari

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 19 Oct 2009, 07:37

innum parAmukhamEnO. rAgA: bEgaDA. rUpaka tALA. Composer: Duraisvami Kavirayar

P: innum parAmukhamEnO-idu umakku nIdhi tAnO
A: vannattogai mayilmEl vaLar-vayypuri vEl murugayyA
C: mAnInra vaLLi magizhum maNavALA-mAdavar sEvita pankaja malar
tALA tEnOr kaDan paNi tOL AdhIrA vIrA shUra samhArA

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 19 Oct 2009, 21:25

Some minor corrections, Lji:

P: ...umakku nIti tAnO...

A: vaNNattOgai mayil mEl vaLar vayyApuri vEl murugayyA

C: ........mAtavar....
...tOLA dhIrA...

What does 'tEnOr kaDan paNi tOLA' mean?

prashant · Post by **prashant** » 21 Oct 2009, 11:10

I think the right lyrics are 'tEnAr kaDam paNi tOLA'

s_hari · Post by **s_hari** » 21 Oct 2009, 11:15

yes prashant - that's how i have heard in Vijay Siva's rendition.

-hari

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 21 Oct 2009, 17:43

Prashant - that is better - but what does kaDam mean (duty?) - kadam paNi may make more sense - kadam could mean 'feet'

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 21 Oct 2009, 18:57

I found the text in another book. Here it is:

innum parAmukhamEnO. rAgA: bEgaDA. rUpaka tALA. Composer: Duraisvami Kavirayar

P: innum parAmukhamEnO-idu umakku nIti tAnO
A: vannattogai mayilmEl vaLar-vayyApuri vEl murugayyA
C: mAn Inra vaLLi magizhum maNavALA-vAnavar sEvita pankaja malar
tALA tEnAr kaDam pannIr tOLA dhIrA vIrA shUra samhArA

PUNARVASU · Post by **PUNARVASU** » 21 Oct 2009, 20:13

'pannIr' could mean twelve-panniru(ten and two)
Now we have to figure out 'tEnAr kaDam'.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 21 Oct 2009, 20:28

It is 'tEnAr kaDambaNi tOLA'

tEn = honey (here it means the bees which collect honey)
Ar = ArkkinRa ( making the whizzing sound)
kaDambu = Garland made of 'kaDamba' flowers
aNi = aNikinRa (wearing)
tOLA = shoulders

Note: Garland made of kaDamba flowers aree the favourite of lord Muruga.

The bees circle the kaDamba flowers making whizzing sounds looking for honey. But the hdden meaning also is that they are confused by the lotus like face of Lord Muruga (which means beauty personified)

What a beautiful simile!

PUNARVASU · Post by **PUNARVASU** » 21 Oct 2009, 20:34

CML. I too thought on those lines; but when I saw Lji's latest post, and the word 'pannIr' I thought it may be different.
Your explanation sounds beautiful.Thanks.

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 21 Oct 2009, 20:47

CML/Punarvasu perfect - thanks.

So, it is either 'tEnAr kaDambaNi tOLA', or 'tEnAr kaDambaNi pannIr tOLA'.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 21 Oct 2009, 21:12

Of course it is 'pannIr tOLA' (pannIr = panniru = twelve)!

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 21 Oct 2009, 22:23

In Rangaramanuja Iyengar's book it is paNi and in S.V.Leela's book it is pannIr.

prashant · Post by **prashant** » 28 Oct 2009, 12:52

cmlover wrote:It is 'tEnAr kaDambaNi tOLA'

tEn = honey (here it means the bees which collect honey)
Ar = ArkkinRa ( making the whizzing sound)
kaDambu = Garland made of 'kaDamba' flowers
aNi = aNikinRa (wearing)
tOLA = shoulders

Note: Garland made of kaDamba flowers aree the favourite of lord Muruga.

The bees circle the kaDamba flowers making whizzing sounds looking for honey. But the hdden meaning also is that they are confused by the lotus like face of Lord Muruga (which means beauty personified)

What a beautiful simile!

A beautiful explanation. Thanks cmlover!

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 29 Oct 2009, 02:28

Yes, kaDamba malar aNinda tOLan.
Ar (Arttal) while describes the buzz of the bees can also mean: flowers which contain (replete with) honey. tEn can also mean tEn ciTTu (bees) which seek the company of kaDambA flowers. Enlarge the imagery even more, the one who wears the kaDambA flowers attracts his devotees as the flowers attract bees!

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 29 Oct 2009, 03:19

That is a fine metaphor. A more fanciful one is

tEn = tenpulatthOr (people of the southern region Tamils etc.,)
Arkka = Artthu koNDu(singing the praise)
aDam = aDakkatthuDan ( with humility)
paNi = paNikinRa (prostrating)
tOLA = limbs

In other words Murugan as the chosen God of the southerners (tamizhk kaDavuL)is prostrated by the host of worshipping crowd of devotees singing his praise.
(just visualize the crowds flocking to Murugan temples with kAvaDi singing arOharA).
We can find a variety of very beautiful hidden poetic interpretations in Tamil as much as in Sanskrit (and of course in other SI languages too!).

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 29 Oct 2009, 03:48

Great!
If we take this further, tEnAm kAvaDic cindu paDaitta SelvanE! CindugaLum avan aNiyum malargaL! This line is from a sAvEri song.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 29 Oct 2009, 03:50

Do you have the song? Or the first line so that Lakshman can try to find it...

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 29 Oct 2009, 04:05

What is mAn inRa vaLLi? Is it mA ninRa? one of the meanings for mA is vayal (filed), the one who occupied herself in protecting the grains (tina!) of the fields?
Or, mAn inna?: ittagaiya, idu pOnRa. mAnaip pOnRa?

Can't be mAn InRa=one who gave birth to.

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 29 Oct 2009, 04:31

TVS has sung it and it is available at sangeethapriya.org.
He sings mATravar instead of vAnavar.
Also kaDamba paNI tOLA.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 29 Oct 2009, 04:48

mAn InRa = born of a deer
According to the puranic story VaLLi (sundaravalli) was given birth by a sporting deer (Lakshmi) by Vishnu according to the boon given to her. Thus actually Muurugan married his uncle's daughter...

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 29 Oct 2009, 07:54

Ah so?!

Lakshman,
Perhaps, kaDambam+aNi=kaDambamaNi is how he sings it?

PUNARVASU · Post by **PUNARVASU** » 29 Oct 2009, 09:05

I think the story is that valli is a child born to a deer by the power of an ascetic and abandoned in the pit dug by the hunters who were looking for 'vallikkkizhangu'. The deer abandoned the human child and it was brought by a hunter who had no daughter-nambirajan or some such name. Since she was found in the 'vaLLikkizhangu pit' she was named vaLLi. That explains 'mAn InRa' -as CML wrote.

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 29 Oct 2009, 16:39

arasi: He distinctly sings it as kaDamba paNi tOLa.

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 29 Oct 2009, 20:35

cmlover wrote:mAn InRa = born of a deer

And Sri OVK takes it a step further and specifies the type of deer when he refers to vaLLi as 'rOhishajA' for that very reason

And yes, her adoptive/foster father was the childless nambi rAjan also refered to as kurattISan (the king/chieftain of the hunter-gatherer tribe of gypsies). Sri OVK also refers to vaLLi as 'pulinda-kanyA' (pulinda - hunter)

And very interestingly, when vaLLi marries murugan, it is not nambi rAjan who gives her away, but vishNu himself.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 29 Oct 2009, 21:16

Lakshman,
If that's the correct version, we can expand on the imagination of the poet and explain it this way: while we worship at murugan'n feet, kaDamba flowers, because they are his favorites, get to worship him by adorning his shoulders