Polla Pulliyinum

mahesh3 · Post by **mahesh3** » 12 Jan 2010, 08:19

Heard this song by Sandeep! Sung with gusto....who has written this song? I could not locate the lyrics....any other versions I can obtain online?

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 12 Jan 2010, 10:43

pollAp-puliyinum. rAgA: mAyAmALavagauLa. madhyAdi tALA. Composer" Papanasham Shivan.

P: pollAp-puliyinum pollAk-kodiyan ennai bhuvi tanil En paDaittAi shambhO
A: nallOraik-kanAvilum naNuga mATTEn nalladu shonnAlum kETka mATTEn
C: un nAmam en nAvAlum shollamATTEn uLLezhum kAma krOda madam koLLamATTEn
ennALum mUvAsaiyai vella mATTEn en aiyan un AlayattuL shella mATTEn

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 12 Jan 2010, 19:33

Lji - a small correction in the caraNam - '...madam kollamATTEn' - 'koLLamATTEn' will defeat the purpose of the composition

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 14 Jan 2010, 00:43

Is it nallOraik kanAvilum aNuga mATTEn? naNuga I'm not familiar with.
Wish I had been to a concert of Sandeep this season. Have heard his guru sing it, though.

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 14 Jan 2010, 02:47

naNugu and aNugu mean the same thing: approach

I think "kanavilum" is enough. Why kanAvilum? Kanavilum itself packs enough emphasis.

Also it is "kollamATTEn" not "koLLamATTEn". Here the composer means "quell" by "kolla"
This is because every action here is negative. In a sense it is total deprecation of oneself.
kAma krOda madam koLLamATTEn refers to a resolve not to indulge in these vices. That is not what is meant in the song.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 14 Jan 2010, 08:58

Mahakavi,
kanavu and kanA are the same. kanAk kaNDEN tOzhi nAn.

deepsands02 · Post by **deepsands02** » 23 Jan 2010, 13:21

As per 'Papanasam Sivan Keerthana Maalai' released by Smt Rukmini Ramani (2nd Volume, Page 203), the words in the anupallavi are 'kanAvilum naNugamAttEn'

Charanam 2nd line:
The book says: 'uLLezhum kAmakrOdha madham sollamAttEn' - but I sing it as 'uLLezhum kAmakrOdha thaLLamAttEn'

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 23 Jan 2010, 20:50

Sandeep - '.....thaLLamAttEn', right?

In the pdf version of the same book you mention, the line is given as 'uLLezhum kAma krOdha madam kollamAttEn'

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 23 Jan 2010, 21:01

>>uLLezhum kAma krOda madam koLLamATTEn<<
>>The book says: 'uLLezhum kAmakrOdha madham sollamAttEn' - but I sing it as 'uLLezhum kAmakrOdha thallamAttEn'<<

All the actions described in the song are the opposites of virtuous behavior to deprecate oneself.
The book version "sollamATTEn" (won't say) does not jibe with the rest of the actions since it is a neutral statement---neither vice nor virtue.
Sometimes transcriptional errors creep in when handwriting is deciphered, especially from old manuscripts.
If we take "kAma krOdha madham" as authentic words ( "lust, anger/hatred, and arrogance/haughtiness") then the word following it should mean "won't remove/get rid of".
So if I were to rewrite it, it would be either "kollamATTEn" (won't suppress or kill) or "vellamATTEn" (won't conquer or overcome) since the qualifying word is "uLLezhum"-- that which has already engendered. As Bharathi would say "mOhattaik konRuviDu...."
koLLamATTEn definitely is out. taLLamATTEn (won't reject) still is troublesome because it applies only when something comes from outside. What we have is something that emanates from inside. The only way to get rid of it is to extinguish it or conquer it.

It is very likely that Sivan used a very appropriate word which may have been transcribed erroneously due to illegible writing or faded writing due to aging of the manuscript.

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 23 Jan 2010, 21:05

Now I am more convinced that it is "kollamATTEn". The Thamizh letters "ka" and "sa" could be mistaken for each other if the straight line and the curve get misread.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 23 Jan 2010, 21:08

Sandeep,
nallORaik kanAvilum nAnaNuga (nAn+aNuga) mATTEn is a possibility.

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 23 Jan 2010, 21:12

Then you have to introduce the "nAn" for other actions too. If the manuscript says "naNuga" it cannot be misread for "nAnaNuga" because there will be two more extra characters in the latter word

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 23 Jan 2010, 21:37

You may have a point there, but supposing that nAn does occur, is it necessary to preface every action with nAn? The verb endings indicate it, anyway. If a word is added to every line, some songs may start resembling an imposition

Sandeep,
Nice to see you chip in. What do you know? You may have to have the songs ready because I see requests coming up here for the songs popularized by your guru. I have to add this: for someone who hails from the US, I'm impressed--the way you tackle songs which are not that easy to discern or to sing, even for the natives. A few years ago, I heard you in Petachi, was impressed with your singing but detected traces of an american accent. Yet in the past years, You sound like a tamizhan! Sorry, I missed your concert this year. Wanted to come, but there was a last minute upset in my plans. Better luck next time

.

deepsands02 · Post by **deepsands02** » 24 Jan 2010, 01:48

rshankar,

Yes I meant thaLLamAttEn, have corrected it.

... And thanks Arasi

PUNARVASU · Post by **PUNARVASU** » 24 Jan 2010, 07:02

mahakavi wrote:
taLLamATTEn (won't reject) still is troublesome because it applies only when something comes from outside. What we have is something that emanates from inside. The only way to get rid of it is to extinguish it or conquer it.

I feel that 'taLLamATTEn' is fine because it means 'I will not push it (out)'; sure what the composer refers to are the 'shadripu'-six enemies which emanate from within; to evolve as a better human being one has to literally push them out of one's system . So, I feel, 'thaLLamATTEN' is fine.

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 24 Jan 2010, 08:26

The reaon I took exception to taLLamATTEn is because only that "kAma krdha madam" has been characterized as uLLezhum (arise from within) and not the other transgressions. That too it is in the middle of all other "no, nos!". Besides, the two book versions trade between sollamATTEn and kollamATTEn. Anyway the singer can choose what he/she wants to say. Many singers do so of their own choice (to modify an embarassing word---KVN used to say "InanAy"instead of "pulaiyanAy") , or due to a slip.