Hilarity in kutcheris

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 01 Aug 2010, 20:46

Our dear old gujerati friend pronounces 'fun' as 'pun', five as 'pive' and so on. Yes, fun is pun (not exclusively, of course) and to play with words means you are not dressed in your tux and tails for this child play as it were with words. Such play beyond the boundaries of one language makes it even more fun, pun, defying all rules!

ragam-talam · Post by **ragam-talam** » 01 Aug 2010, 21:15

Varieties in playing for artistes: (with apologies to Erode-sir!)

if played classically - 'madi'-pakkam

local accompanist playing - akkam-pakkam

unobtrusive - enda-pakkam?

in tamil movies - kodam-pakkam

playing for a concert in a rich area of chennai - nungam-pakkam

That's all, can't think of more!

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 01 Aug 2010, 21:16

cmlover wrote:....if we stick to strict grammar and literary usages then 'fun' (pun as well!)
goes out the window!

I can definitely read and understand the title of this thread. I just appended the slight difference between the two "r"s in case that gets lost in the hilarity. I know it is not a language thread but if someone were to write in Thamizh mistaking one r for the other, it becomes a grievous error (this happens more often in lyrics of kritis where one letter is replaced by another which gets heads reeling), just like when a word is misspelt more than once by somebody then even the well-informed will start thinking the erroneous spelling is the correct one (pannikkuTTi---kannukkuTTi story). Consider it a distraction, if you will. Take the good part of it while enjoying the fun.

PS: You left out post #1097 while remonstrating my post. I just followed that post as an extension. If you read my post it started as "as mentioned above...."

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 01 Aug 2010, 21:27

'The above-mentioned post' spoken of here is that of mine (my uLaRal??)

r_t,
To add to your list:
aDutta pakkam (next page): if you are sitting through concerts in a sabha, flicking the next page to see if the pakka vAdyam for the next concert isn't going to be anywhere in the pakkam of what you are listening to now!

parAkku pakkam: this one looks around the hall so frequently that you worry that she/he 'being elsewhere' does not belong to the pakkam (proximity) at all of the vocalist!

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 01 Aug 2010, 21:47

message understood. Good educative informative advice always welcome.
Now onto Hilarity with no holds barred!
With lots of fish jumping around - meenam baakkam
Where insanity rules

- kIzh paakkam (not obvious to the uninitiated!)
....

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 01 Aug 2010, 21:51

What do meenambAkkam and kIzhppAkkam have to do with "kacheri" hilarity?

The first is a kacheri at the airport and the second is a kacheri in a mental hospital (to cure insanity) |(

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 01 Aug 2010, 23:05

What is the origin of the work 'pakkam' meaning pakka vaadhyam?
Does it come from the meaning sitting close by?
...or more so because they tow the melody lagging in time (pakkam)?
The word certainly is not sanskrit origin!

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 02 Aug 2010, 01:00

PakkattiRkazhagu takka vAddiyamAyiruttal. (the place o pakkam-instrument is to be a suitable accompaniment).
Pakkam valikka (transliteration from english) Sirikka vaippadil Erode and Balaji are takkavargal (suitable ones). Pakka balamAi vAsippadilumtAn (in playing as able support too).

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 02 Aug 2010, 01:11

pakkam means "side". iDadu pakkam, valadu pakkam, etc. In a KachEri the violinist sits to the left side of the vocalist and the mridangist on the right side (unless the mridangist is a southpaw). So the "side" instruments became "pakka" vAdhyams. OK, some wag is asking about ghaTam, ganjirA, mOrsingh, etc., They are all done from "pin pakkam" (back side). The audience singing along or doing tALam shall be deemed "mun pakka" vAdhyam.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 02 Aug 2010, 01:39

There is also the possibility of pakkam coming from
'pakka' which in Hindi as well as colloquial means matured/well cooked

as against 'kaccha' would be an insult!

In a different context pakkam also means 'page'! Wonder about that origin which is
unconnected!

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 02 Aug 2010, 01:59

pakkA means perfect, fine etc., in Hindi. That could not have contributed to the accompaniying instruments. As for "page" it still comes under the generic meaning "side" (eTTavadu pakkam would mean "keep turning until the eighth side comes around--when you open a book you have two sides). uralukku our pakkam iDi mattaLattukku iranDu pakkam iDi (the thresher gets pounding on one side while the drum --not the tabla, but mridangam, tavil etc.,-- gets beaten on both sides)

It is most likely a word of Thamizh origin. pakkam +vAdhyam = pakka vAdhyam (puNarcci drops the "m" --keDudal vikAram)

OK, shall we eliminate this portion of the discussion? It is not hilarious, you see. Grammar is NOT fun.

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 02 Aug 2010, 02:07

cmlover wrote:...or more so because they tow the melody lagging in time (pakkam)?

No! The meaning "time" for pakkam comes from the Sanskrit word "paksham" (krishna paksham, shukla paksham---the fortnights). Why do they have to lag? They can be simultaneous.

Pratyaksham Bala · Post by **Pratyaksham Bala** » 02 Aug 2010, 09:38

Shri Krishnaswamy Alladi had referred to pakka-vadhyam in a speech given by him at the Florida Chapter :-
"A pakka (= accompanying) vadyam (= instrument) becomes a pakkaa vadyam (= top class accompaniment) if there is a healthy and appropriate exhange between the vocalist and the accompaniments."

http://www.clas.ufl.edu/chitra/docs/201 ... mmelan.pdf

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 02 Aug 2010, 19:41

MK
I disagree with you. The 'pakkam' which means closeness can be spatial or temporal or even spiritual. For example 'iRaivan pakkam manam chEra ' would mean the mind focussed close on the deity.
Again in concerts generally accompanists do toe the melody with a time-lag. That is why they are pakka vaadhyam as they are close in space and time. They have to know what the vocalist is singing, internalize and then reproduce it close in time without jarring. If they start leading then it is usually resented by the vocalist! They quip
"ennaDA, enakku nI vaashikkaRayaa; illai unakku naan paaDaRenA"

(are you playing for me or amI singign for you!)

VK RAMAN · Post by **VK RAMAN** » 02 Aug 2010, 19:59

No body touched pakka vada, very popular in South I guess.

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 02 Aug 2010, 20:46

cmlover wrote:MK
I disagree with you. The 'pakkam' which means closeness can be spatial or temporal or even spiritual. For example 'iRaivan pakkam manam chEra ' would mean the mind focussed close on the deity.
Again in concerts generally accompanists do toe the melody with a time-lag. That is why they are pakka vaadhyam as they are close in space and time. They have to know what the vocalist is singing, internalize and then reproduce it close in time without jarring. If they start leading then it is usually resented by the vocalist! They quip
"ennaDA, enakku nI vaashikkaRayaa; illai unakku naan paaDaRenA"
(are you playing for me or amI singign for you!)

I have to disagree with your disagreement. "iRaivan pakkam manam sEra" phrase is contrived by you. I want to see if some composer wrote it. Even assuming it was so "pakkam" could still mean "by the side of", AlAla Sundarar was a lieutenant for Siva, always on his side. Even the spiritual proximity could be juxtaposed , i.e., spiritual side.

In the accompaniment, the violinist and the mridangist do anticipate the vocalist (since they are already aware of the kriti, swarams etc.,) and hence can be simultaneous in "following" them, i.e., in step with the vocalist. Leading the vocalist does not come into the picture at all. It is like a vocalist duo singing in synchrony. If one of them lags it is jarring. It happens occasionally. If the accompanists wait to hear what the vocalist sings and then do their job, the vocalist would have gone farther from them and there won't be any synchrony between them. It is like when we (non-native English speakers) speak English at a fast pace. The mind thinks in your mother tongue but translates it at the speed of electrical impulses such that you hardly feel you think in Thamizh (or other native tongue) and translate it in English.

If you say the vocalist does the swarams and stops, and the violinist follows with fidelity then it is listening and reproducing. That is not "closeness" but following a few paces behind like a shadow.

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 02 Aug 2010, 20:48

VK RAMAN wrote:No body touched pakka vada, very popular in South I guess.

vkr:
You got it right there. "pakka vAdam" means partial paralysis. That happens on one "side" and not "closeby" (closeby to what?) as our distinguished cmlover indicates.

PS: First I thought you were referring to the snack "pagODA" (some people call it "pakkavaDA") since it is lunchtime.

Pratyaksham Bala · Post by **Pratyaksham Bala** » 02 Aug 2010, 21:10

ghaTam is called a upa pakka vadhyam. So too kanjirA.
They can, therefore, be called pakka-pakka vadhyams!

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 02 Aug 2010, 21:32

A review can read: nalla pakka vAdyngaL! pakkA pakka pakka vAdyangaLumtAn!

annaiyin pakkam ADinAn paraman, adilum pakkamAga okkalil amarndAn vElavan.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 02 Aug 2010, 21:41

VKR
I thought you were referring to the tasty south indian victual, also
known as pakkODA..

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 02 Aug 2010, 22:32

>>annaiyin pakkam ADinAn paraman, adilum pakkamAga okkalil amarndAn vElavan.<<
Here the reference is for Siva to dance by her side. okkal refers to hip. vElavan comes and sits on the waist/hip (maybe lap?) of his mother. So annai must have been sitting
Contrast this with "annai yasOdai aruginilE senRu ivan veNNey tiruDi vanda..." here it does not say "pakkattilE senRu". " aruginilE" refers to "nearby"

ragam-talam · Post by **ragam-talam** » 03 Aug 2010, 00:17

Ayyayyo! What's going on here? The hilarity thread has been attacked by the Tamil pundits!
mods - please move the last 15 posts or so out of here (to language section?). Let's keep the purity of this place...

To continue with the accompaniments...
the mridangist who keeps adjusting the sruti - kal-pakkam
he keeps low-key accompaniment - pin-pakkam
the filmy accompanist - virugam-pakkam
the IT accompanist - thoraipakkam

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 03 Aug 2010, 00:44

AmAm! Pl move me out of here. With humor like what I see here I am reminded of a college lecturer whose name was D. Doraiswamy. He used to say similar things and we branded them as "DD" (not only his inititials but to denote "dry dry") jokes.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 03 Aug 2010, 01:31

Mountain climbing-ilum (hil(l)-E(a)Ruvati (rity)lum inda iru pakkA pakkangaLE pakkA--Erode and Mannarkoil to the rescue!

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 03 Aug 2010, 06:41

innA vAtthiyArE roMbatthAn muRacchukkiNE
nallA thamiL katthukiNA kacchErilE neRaya chirikkalAm vOy!
ayyAmAru kASu kEkka mATTAngO
preeyAtthAn katthu koDuppArunga vOy!

Pratyaksham Bala · Post by **Pratyaksham Bala** » 03 Aug 2010, 08:44

Here is a 'pakkam' song by kannadAsan for the movie mATTukAra vElan:-

http://www.musicplug.in/multiple_song_f ... age=movies

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 03 Aug 2010, 09:05

Sorry, I can't listen to that song for more than a few seconds. Very un-KaNNadAsan-like song.

gobilalitha · Post by **gobilalitha** » 06 Aug 2010, 06:52

At a very small temple in a very small village(kukgramam) ADI festival will be celebrated with teru koothu, karagam etc and also sarigama pattu(how they refer to carnatic music) some musicians in abject poverty will take part, as even a hundred rupees will be a huge amount for them. when one such musician was settling down to start his pattu, one fellow approached him and told 'SAMI inge NERAYA THEL(scorpions) irukkum , jaggirathaiyay irungo. naangal ellam bayappada mattom . adhai parthal kodukkai pidithu thooki erindhu viduvom SAMI THERE WILL BE LOT OF SCORPIONSHERE, BE CAREFUL. . WE ARE NOT AFRAID OF THEM .WE WIILL CATCH THEM AND THROW THEM AWAY. GOBILALITHA

erode14 · Post by **erode14** » 07 Aug 2010, 03:23

after thani in this concert (http://www.rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=13809), while krishnamurthy mama was speaking, my sishya krishna saw some insect moving near him. since it was a tiny creature, he was unable to find the kulam, gothram, designation etc. of it...

in such a situation, shankar sang the virutham, "vaNdArkkum" and krishna felt the same too

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 07 Aug 2010, 05:41

..and of course he spared the little critter when shankar followed up with
'thEDiunnai charaNaDainthEn..'

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 07 Aug 2010, 07:26

pakka vAdyam mukya vAdam AgAmal
Sikkalait tIRtadu, vANDu kaNDa vaNDu--
SOLaiyil SuTRum vaNDu mAlai avaiyil vandu
alaindAl, adu rINgAramiDum 'mike'-ait tuNai
ena nADi vanda vinaiyE! angirunda peNDir ellAm
tam vaNDu nigar vizhigLai mUDiyadum, vENDAm
inda vambu! ena mariyAdaiyAip paRandu maRaindadu
pAvil inamai kUTTinAlum, koTTit tolaikkum pAvi vaNDu!

vAdam= argument
Sikkal=problem
vANDu=youngster
SOlai=garden
avai=sabhA
peNDir=women
vinai=action
nigar vizhi=eyes like
pAvil=in verse

ksrimech · Post by **ksrimech** » 07 Aug 2010, 21:32

pakka vAdyam pakka vAdam AgAmal......

I once did the mistake of sitting on the dais behind the artiste. The mridangist was playing awfully doing aSTakoNal to his face as if he was getting pakka vAdam right on the stage! That was my first year into full-fledged concert season attendence at MA (1999). I decided that I will never ever sit on the dais for that Rs 20 ticket again! :@

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 07 Aug 2010, 22:29

Since the Muse in arasi is blooming
let us hope we don't start getting more vaNDu coming

Sitting beside the dais in the olden days was an unpleasant experience. Since most of the
old-time vidwans had the habit of 'muRukkaan' (betel chewing) they used to spray those in front
liberally when they do swara prastaara mEl kaalam

After my nice khadar jibba got spotted a few times I decided to prefer the back seats later
though some of them used to invite me to take the front seats

The problem does not arise these days!

erode14 · Post by **erode14** » 07 Aug 2010, 23:49

i sent a comedy question to a group of friends this morning..

Q: Which music scorer is considered to be the most prospered in north india?

all of them said dunno, while ram said ARR.

A: The most prosperous music director is r.d.burman.
(R.D. is recurring deposit!)

Ok,if some1 suttufy his tune, what will he say?

A: He will ask, "aar dee burn man?"

[Singer - member] Brindha replied, I am banging my head on the wall...

I called her to ask just what happened to the wall...

Then she narrated her awesome experiences in her recent tour to gangothri, yamunothri, kedharnath and all.

"bindhu, do you know why these places are named so?"

"sollungo..."

"when you visit a holy, divine place, and feel hard to walk and climb, you become tired. when you feel tired, even small things appeal greater. when you feel something greater, your ego is destroyed. when there is no ego, you start your journey towards self realisation. when you are towards truth, you dedicate whatever you do with manO-vAk-kAyam...

so, you owe three things to svAmi, forever in your journey and hence, they are gang(society) owe three and a-man-owe-three...

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 08 Aug 2010, 00:55

..beautiful explanation!
Finally
kE (what) Dar (fear) nAth (colleague) ?
(after all three (mano-vak-kaayam) have been dedicated!)

cienu · Post by **cienu** » 08 Aug 2010, 01:44

erode14 wrote:
"when you visit a holy, divine place, and feel hard to walk and climb, you become tired. when you feel tired, even small things appeal greater. when you feel something greater, your ego is destroyed. when there is no ego, you start your journey towards self realisation. when you are towards truth, you dedicate whatever you do with manO-vAk-kAyam...

that was lovely Erode .

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 08 Aug 2010, 02:53

Cienu,
IrODu mahA periyavar pOTTa mA rODu naDakkum,
mAmalaiyum manadAl ERum, manam kuLirum--
mattaLamO, magizhndu 'koTTAmal koTTum'

Can't get away from the vaNDu! Here it means: plays ever so softly.

erode14 · Post by **erode14** » 08 Aug 2010, 04:04

arasi wrote:Cienu,
IrODu mahA periyavar pOTTa mA rODu naDakkum,

thank you...

just like saying, avan jAthgaththula pOtrukku, this is mahA periyavar pOtta mArOdu [nenjil anavaradhamum thigazhdhal] and a regular prayer, "shrI chandhrasEkara varyO mE sannidhaththAm sadhA hrudhi" [guru dhasakam]

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 08 Aug 2010, 06:24

also may I add
kAmakOTi kRipApAtram layachandra nAgarAjEna udbhAsitam mama hRidayam
The laya expert Nagaraj blessed by AchArya has enlightened my heart!

erode14 · Post by **erode14** » 10 Aug 2010, 19:42

UKS sir told this yesterday:

Shri Ariyakkudi Ramanuja Iyengar said "nee suddha karNAtakamA padaRE" to a singer who was pestering iyengarval to say a few words about his singing. After the man had left, someone wondered why iyengarval said so, when the singer was not up to the mark!! He said, "sariyA thAn sonnEn. karNataka suddhamA pAdaREnnu sollaliyE; suddha 'karNAtakamA' pAdaREnnu thAnE sonnEn... "

As told by my friend A.V.K.Rajasimman:

Once a vidhvAn performed harikatha and at stages he described the incidences beautifully and a zameendhAr, who was one among the audience in front row said in a louder voice, "oru jOdi pattu sAlvai". This egged on the vidhvAn more and made him happy and as a result, he described further in a poetic manner and this time the zameendhAr said, "oru jOdi kadukkan!!" Floating in cloud nine, the vidhvAn narrated the rest of the story at his best of the glory and the zameendhAr said, "oru jOdi thanga thOdA!!"

After mangaLam, the vidhvAn stayed clueless as there was no sign of any such honour from the zameendhAr. He went to him and asked "you seemed happy listening to my harikathai and I appreciate your rasikathvam... Anandham.. you said something like shawl, kadukkan and thOdA... have you sent anyone to bring those honours? shall I wait?"

"illa illa... neenga keLambalAm... neenga kAdhu kuLira kadhai sonnEL; sareennu, nAnum unga kAdhu kuLirattumnu seladhellAm sonnEn!!"

semmu86 · Post by **semmu86** » 14 Aug 2010, 15:39

@Nagraj Sir,

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 16 Aug 2010, 07:30

This is google humor with its word spotting logic for display ad purposes... I have been seeing an ad for "MMI Motorcycle Training" at our site

erode14 · Post by **erode14** » 17 Nov 2010, 20:01

In a recording: â€œanna, I am planing to sing varALiâ€

â€œbEshâ€¦ nannA pAdu, are you going to sing svaram for kA vA vA or pazhnimalai uRaiyum?â€

â€œpazhani malaiâ€

â€œvada pazhaniyA; then pazhaniyA?â€

â€œâ€¦..?!?!?!â€

â€œrAgam svaroopam nannA thenpattA, then-pazhani; nannA pAdalainnA, vada-pazhani, for vadai has Ottaiâ€

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 17 Nov 2010, 20:12

If the vocalist were a 'thikku vaayan' (stammerer) then may sing as
'kAkA vA vA vA'
to the delight of liitte kids

..and when he intones 'pazhani malai uRayum..'
the child may exclaim
'ayyE kAkAkku vaDa thaan piDikkum.. ivar thappA paaDaraar.'

gobilalitha · Post by **gobilalitha** » 18 Nov 2010, 06:35

Very happy that Erode Nagarai has revived the thread again .
should be Nagaraj,not Nagarai, he will become a Mangalorean Erode will be eroded . gobilalitha

anandasangeetham · Post by **anandasangeetham** » 06 Dec 2010, 14:58

Dear All,
I was very happy going through all the hilarity in CM thread. I would like to post a couple here

My Uncle O S Sundar when asked how he would like to be present in the Bhajan, retorted - as a leading participant or a participating leader....
He built a house and shared the plot with another (one house on top of another the top - a two flat house) when a person invited for the grahapravesam asked if his was a independent house or a flat prompt came the reply - an independent flat......

gobilalitha · Post by **gobilalitha** » 06 Dec 2010, 20:14

THANKS, A nice one .be sending regularly..gobilalitha

erode14 · Post by **erode14** » 07 Dec 2010, 00:04

before concert:

"wow... I like that mAmA sO muchch..."

"ayyayO... avarA... why?!?"

"unna pAththu avvayaiyAr-nu sonnaaRE!!"

"rAmmmA... how are you-nnaar.."

anandasangeetham · Post by **anandasangeetham** » 07 Dec 2010, 12:49

Shri MMI was humorous too. Once when a person remarked that he has composed a song in begada without any of the popular begada phrases that the contemporary artistes sing and wanted to showcase that. Shri MMI after listening to that said "I agree this does not have any popular phrase of begada but also does not have a shade of begada"......Correct..idhala Begada voda prabalamana sangathi edhuvum varala ..ana begadavum varaliye

gobilalitha · Post by **gobilalitha** » 07 Dec 2010, 17:56

A very nice one. hope to have more jokes from you gobilalitha