MS Understood: essay in Caravan magazine by TM Krishna.

varsha · Post by **varsha** » 22 Oct 2015, 09:01

The best tribute we can give to our Understanding of MSS is to document her entire repertoire .Here in this thread .
I am willing to share all the lesser heard pieces at my command
http://www.mediafire.com/listen/m980ymp ... Sastri.mp3

One would think One Artists understands another , better . This is not so , if one is to go by this essay .
Anyway we are blessed with such a huge volume of data at command in the form of mp3s , we can quote instances to prove any point of view .
Understanding is one thing . Judgement is another . MSS must have had a heart that wished to break free , like mine or any one elses .
That she could reach where she ended up at , no matter where she started from , is ONE IN A MILLION YEAR STORIES . IF NOT ZILLION .

Hours before he passed away ( after three months of cancerous torture ) and in a delirious mood already for 24 hours , My Dad whispered to me ...
SShhh . I can hear MS singing . It is beautiful. The music was going on in his mind .
Bottom line , as Chesterton says
A MAN may look into the eyes of his lady-love to see that they are beautiful. But no normal lady will allow that young man to look into her eyes to see whether they are beautiful. The same variety and idiosyncrasy has been generally observed in gods. Praise them or leave them alone; but do not look for them unless you know they are there. Do not look for them unless you want them.

'All Things Considered

pattamaa · Post by **pattamaa** » 22 Oct 2015, 09:26

varsha - keep it going... as the saying - proof is in the pudding... and we all have tasted the pudding multiple times... i can only hear few seconds of kalyani, and not complete version...

When MS amma did coast to coast tour in US, she has sung quite a lot of 4-kalai pallavis.. hope some of them comes out in public domain this year.

kvchellappa · Post by **kvchellappa** » 22 Oct 2015, 10:12

Varsha, you come up with nuggets of gold and couch them in anecdotes and quotes that do the talking that a lengthy harangue can never achieve.

varsha · Post by **varsha** » 22 Oct 2015, 10:18

kvc
Thanks . I was not like this always . Things changed when my Dad advised me
If you do have to grow two projections on your head , let them be antennae. NOT HORNS

My stint at rasikas has made me wiser , to the ways of the world.And much more in CM(KM)

SrinathK · Post by **SrinathK** » 22 Oct 2015, 11:27

Let's get this thread back towards MS Amma -- if you were to observe many facets of her capabilities, among them are :

1) She sang the most precise brighas I have ever heard and could toss them out with such effortless ease that it bordered on the ridiculous in her heyday.
2) In her putting of tala, she actually has very few peers and there is enough of it on video to show it. TK Murthy has himself stated that MS and Pattammal were those rare ladies who could handle any nadai or pattern that he could toss out. (And for MLV fans, there is MLV and PMI).
3) Her neraval skill is actually something else -- one for which lyrical understanding plays no insignificant part.
4) Her repertoire was as vast and varied as you could ever get.
5) Pronunciation -- THE gold standard, even internationally speaking.
6) She was a very capable vainika. That was also responsible for her superlative tanam singing and the perfection of many of those gamakas. Not to mention those nadaswara gamakas of a TNR, those trill brighas more seen in her younger days or Hindusthani brighas or those brief runs which look like what happens when you momentarily on the accelerator pedal of a LaFerrari....

Out of all musicians I'd say MS had the widest range of gamakas and tonal colours. I also know that many of her critics are those who do not consider her strengths as important (and many did not possess those skills themselves

) -- there is also an element of chauvinism in some of them.

I had an interesting experience once when I sang the Shiva Panchakshara stotram in MS Amma's tune at a small gathering (believe me I got it from her last recorded concert at 81 and had been asked to sing it if I could) -- I was surprised by the reaction and even people who didn't know anything about music were raving about the ragas and the tune of it and they were asking me where I got that from (not to be taken as a compliment to my rather so-so singing, PLEASE!) -- I told one senior among them that it was MS amma's version and he said, "No wonder." One of them was a Nepali lady and it seemed to have made her day.

I realized that time that this was a sample of the power of MS Amma's music (and Adi Shankara's greatness) -- that even when you just sing a few MS trademark phrases, people can immediately feel it.

One thing to remember is that while I as a musician want my music to be in this or that manner -- the so called "elite circles" of CM are a very small % of the Indian population.

I also wonder why people do not talk about the MS Thodi (that was something in a league of it's own) -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72TYxGfC0OY (Unfortunately this video has become private, don't know who the uploader is, but we have heard this on the MS thread and those brighas were almost scary) -- when MS Amma lets the tiger off the leash, run...there is also that side to her music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNoHUIa7lIc -- Munnu Ravana

And then this -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxrtNU0YlDQ (probably one of her last available recordings -- still that vocal range, the recording starts from the phrases in lower madhyamam !)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqh4aeGWDW0 --- Part 2. For the tanam that was mentioned up a few posts ago.

pattamaa · Post by **pattamaa** » 22 Oct 2015, 11:56

many thanks Srinath, that todi is simply superb, there are many nadaswara pidis and lighning brigas... guru vandanam to ms amma on this auspicious vijayadasami, from whom we learn many qualities of life, apart from devotion and music.... namo namaha...

kvchellappa · Post by **kvchellappa** » 22 Oct 2015, 12:12

Thanks Srinathk. That cleanses the air. I was about to make another post (as the second monk) but am holding off for now after seeing your post. Your writing brought some peace to my raving mind.

pattamaa · Post by **pattamaa** » 22 Oct 2015, 12:13

Chellappa sir, please do write... lets drive out all negative energies on this auspicious day...

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 22 Oct 2015, 13:28

When we are in college we used to have company placements at the fag end of graduation. There used to be Group Discussions as part of placements . For Group discussions topics would be given like Should Women also work or be at home ? Is attitude or aptitude more important to success. About 30 to 40 minutes will be given . You are seated in a circle along with 8 fellow students .

You mentally prepare your self to tell that only attitude is more important than aptitude . Then after 10 minutes you realized O bloody whatever you wanted to say one of your friends already told that , then when you are about to mentally run and speak that aptitude is more important than attitude , by then another student takes that view point and elaborates .

You sweat you feel O my gOsh I wanted to say this but that was taken by my friend in the left , then i wanted to say the second view point and that was taken by my another friend . Then you try to be aggressive with one of the view points and if you have enough ammunition ,words and most importantly enough time to speak or if you create more time to speak, you articulate almost one of the same view points with a jugglery of words . At that point of time you feel you have to be noticed for communication and get thru the group discussion and that is all in your agenda at that time . It is not what you truly believe that matters, you just try to communicate strongly and stand out in the group of 8 people.

TMK is more like that . Many many years ago he praised MS amma as the epitome of music without even hinting an iota of her weakness. See what he has written 10 or 12 years before http://msstribute.org/tributes/tributes_tm-krishna.php

Why could he not then hint one shortcoming then? What happened to his upcoming musician quote of calling ms amma a hoax which he heard in late 80's when he was at the most 15 years of age?

Then he took a balti with his caravan writing starting with one upcoming artist quoting MS amma a hoax .10 Years back he could have atleast stated one of that shortcoming.

Personally There are lot of interesting viewpoints on the short comings of MS Amma in the caravan writing that he has pointed which I indeed agree and his communication is clean and right too .But where is the consistency in his viewpoint from the first writing to his second caravan writing .

In group discussion style He is winning always as we all lose track of history, his past viewpoint etc.He always has the medium to express in whatever fashion he wants and as years roll by more and more medium like the hindu ,NDTV ,caravan etc are giving *more space* for him to express .

He is indirectly keeping himself in recurring limelight and constantly media is giving him a lions share .

varsha · Post by **varsha** » 22 Oct 2015, 13:51

A nice bit to go with post # 55
http://www.mediafire.com/listen/btrth49 ... mbhoji.mp3
http://www.mediafire.com/listen/r05az5b ... ntd%29.mp3

Aditto · Post by **Aditto** » 22 Oct 2015, 17:04

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hd7xJuPb0io - RPM Record of MS Singing Kaliyuga Talli

Aditto · Post by **Aditto** » 22 Oct 2015, 17:07

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y69t1mH1cZ4 - Is this the Hari Khamboji with a typical briga @ the end of Alapana?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTq3SIBP5uw - RTP in Dhanyasi

Aditto · Post by **Aditto** » 22 Oct 2015, 17:35

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN0nc9Sh6uQ - Wonderful Kalyani. I do not know where it is. Breathtaking and mind-blowing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0oW50PUKI0 - Sri Raghukula in Huseni

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Nq9Cn7gWXs - Akshayalinga Vibho Old Recording, 6 Min

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB5L1SXFIig - Maa Janaki Old Recording, 6 Min

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYtgBoHC4Ts - Venkatesa Ninnu - Madhyamavati , 6 Min

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3TAlhlM9TM - Brochevarevarura from early recordings. It is partial though

kvchellappa · Post by **kvchellappa** » 22 Oct 2015, 17:49

So nice to hear MS amma than to read some prejudiced stuff.

SrinathK · Post by **SrinathK** » 22 Oct 2015, 18:32

Speaking of Harikambhoji, now that you have heard that LP up there in 1945, listen to either the UN rendition of Rama Nannu Brovara or this recording in the mid or late 1980s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlIKeiW67RM -- while there is a lot said about her Shankarabharanam, MS amma was simply unmatched in singing this raga also.

It is also interesting to note that you play both records together (happened accidentally just now as I was opening tabs in different browsers), you realize MS Amma's sruthi never changed at all over what, 40 years!

cacm · Post by **cacm** » 22 Oct 2015, 21:44

Dear Srinath k,
VERY GOOD & RELEVENT POINT.
When I MADE THE 2SETDVD on MMI for his centenary I listened to his Chakkani raja (Karaharapriya) from the earliest (in the thirties) -with T.K.Jayarama Iyer & Tanjavur Vaidyanatha Iyer( Guru of PMI & TKM)-TILL HIS LAST CONCERT IN R.R.Sabha (for Mylapore Fine Arts). I listened to over 400 concerts. MMI used to take a raga& song & try it till he EXHAUSTED his capabilities. Sanjay Subramanian- a VERY SERIOUS, SMART AND OBJECTIVE MUSICIAN DESERVEDLY OUR S.K. THIS YEAR- told me that he had timed GNB'S RENDERINGS OF VARIOUS KRITIS & found they lasted the same time to within seconds EXCEPT RTP where he rendered RAGAS at a HEAVENLY LEVEL (so time varied).
In the case of MS, I have discussed in detail ( as I had with MMI also) about this MIRACULOUS ABILITY YOU HAVE BROUGHT ATTENTION TO; She explained it as a result of her PRACTISING TECHNIQUES the Sadhaham (Aharam etc) for close to 6 hours for carnatic music till she was in her eighties & the almost PROOF of Malcolm Gladwell in his book "OUTLIERS" where he has PROVED how the "GENIUSES" actually reached LEVELS BEYOND ORDINARY MORTALS.
I have listened to Sankarabharanam, Evari Mata, Nadanamakriya of MS especially from this angle & find you are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. I am in the process of writing a book & will be discussing these aspects in DETAIL technically as well as with examples.
I have refrained from saying anything about TMK & his writings full of MISTAKES, IGNORANCE AS WELL AS PLAGUARISMS, & THE CARAVAN Article is a clever SUMMARY of what has been written in many books on MS. It is a pity the audience is not as educated, curious and EXPERT like you; Consequently they cannot be blamed...I make no comments on his music as I have not listened to him seriously lately. SO NO COMMENTS ON THAT. I am a research scientist all my life and it is easy to spot a fake who is making a living by P.R. while he makes disparaging & grudging remarks about others. His remarks about T.Sadasivam are TRASH. BY SHEER FLUKE I had known TS& MS FOR OVER MANY DECADES FROM 1939( when I was lucky to see them). I wish I could meet another T.S.......VKV

CRama · Post by **CRama** » 22 Oct 2015, 22:11

Aditto. Thanks for the links to the uploads. But I do have certain doubts. That Kalyani is awesome No doubt. That Huseni is also OK. But the other songs viz, Akshayalainga vibho, Majanaki and Venkatesa ninnu- I do not think they are sung by MS Amma. Majanaki- looks like NCV- Not sure though. I request some other knowledgeable rasika to hear them and confirm. Even in the discography of MS Amma, I have not seen these songs. Srinath, Can you throw some light?

kvchellappa · Post by **kvchellappa** » 23 Oct 2015, 06:41

Dr VKV sir,
Your silence on the matter, I knew, was because it deserved no notice. I am happy but that you spoke decisively.
I am also happy of your mentioning about Sanjay, knowing that you value Ravikiran as all of us do. With respect and regards
K V Chellappa

cacm · Post by **cacm** » 23 Oct 2015, 07:20

Dear K.V.C.,
I admire your PATIENCE & PERSISTANCE IN BRINGING OUT SUBJECTS OF IMPORTANCE TO BE DISCUSSED SO TRUTH COMES OUT. REGS, VKV

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 23 Oct 2015, 07:40

VKV,
Your comment about KVC makes me think of Milton's line: they also serve who only stand and wait

varsha · Post by **varsha** » 23 Oct 2015, 08:16

our comment about KVC makes me think of Milton's line: they also serve who only stand and wait

And this as well ?
http://www.bartleby.com/104/43.html
...
But if he could describe it all
He would be an artist.
But if he were an artist there would he deeper wounds
Which he could not describe.
...

CRama · Post by **CRama** » 23 Oct 2015, 08:32

varsha, pl see my post 67 above. I would like to have your opinion.

varsha · Post by **varsha** » 23 Oct 2015, 08:45

CRama
My discography indicates she has sung mA jAnaki only one for 36 minutes - over 238 concerts .
The other two dont seem like MSS . Cienu may be a better judge since I cant say if it is a very early gramaphone recording , squuezed within a couple of minutes , in drama style hollering ( I could not not find a better word to describe the musical style of the 78 rpm genre )

CRama · Post by **CRama** » 23 Oct 2015, 08:57

varsha- Yes. MS has sung Majanaki in one live concert- I remember as Rama Seva Mandali in 80s.

varsha · Post by **varsha** » 23 Oct 2015, 09:00

MSS-Bangkok, 14.09.1974
Makes it twice , after I collect the concert from you

http://www.mediafire.com/listen/e849p73 ... Speech.mp3

shankarank · Post by **shankarank** » 23 Oct 2015, 10:45

SrinathK wrote: ...speaking of TRS mama, he was quite forthright about what he thought the old generation of pallavi terrorists did to get to where they were -- he thought they rehearsed for months even...

So are we supposed to think RTP is the biggest hoax perpetrated on rasikas all along?

You know sometimes it feels like it.. When the artiste has not established a sense of viSrAnti ( or inversely a sort of a tempo) in the earlier part of the concert - doing a RTP is not very convincing.. and for that they have to have developed that sense in their music too. Especially those whose voices are only kanTa rasana - the crooners.

So viSrAnti is not just at the aruti - where the pallavi is dissected

SrinathK wrote: So I tell the critics, what more do you want? Much much more kannaku? Then you'll probably say, "Melodically so beautiful. Pity it sometimes devolves into just maths?" -- sometimes that happens,

After all the mathematics has been practiced and become their second nature - to get that Jeevan at the hair's edge of the kArvai - where can a musician go? They are straight headed to the music of MSS / MMI ! where else? chandObhyah adhi amRtAt sah babhUva - nectar amidst the verses. That is the upanishadic truth one's music must speak ( nijavAkkuladO) - before we even we get to the lyrics and their meaning!

Then there is the verse "mAtra balam" in taitrIya samhita. mAtra - the time (kArvai or viSrAnti; rest), balam - the effort ( sollu or kriyA;action). mAtra Suddham in rendition. MSS/MMI again. As MMI nonchalantly touches the lower register in Arya vinuta - as speedily as he renders sUrya mUrtE. I should also cite something I ran into - unlikeliest of all places - muruganIn maru peyar azaghu by MLV. Her descendants cannot match her in that especially - the kuzhaivu has that perfection and mAtra Suddham.

Talking of abhangs - they sit at right at the start of evolutionary path of what is now known as Mridangam. The belief is that the Mridangam originally came from Maharashtra to Thanjavur. I think people are rediscovering the Chandas down its memory lane starting from there!. After the crooners ( they are not dhIruDevvaDos) removed all sense of it in the 80s, 90s. Except that the ransacking Maratha army is not there this time

I would take an abhang - even if it is not the original varkari sampradaya - any day than a sankIrNa jampa pallavi by the crooners.

People all over received MS Amma's music in the Chandas of their affinity - be it Vishnu sahasranAmam or Bhaja Govindam, Meera Bhajan or rabIndra sangIt or abhangs or trinity. The nectar or the substance is the same. That is the upanishadic tribute we can best lay at her feet.

Aditto · Post by **Aditto** » 23 Oct 2015, 14:20

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/506 ... magic.html

238 Concerts of MS ! Varsha Garu __/\__

My day starts with searching for MS name for images and videos and audios and ends with it.

238 Concerts of MS ... WOW

kvchellappa · Post by **kvchellappa** » 23 Oct 2015, 15:53

Wonderful. My mind thought 'eppadi manam thuninthatho' about the trash. Reading such accounts is the way to steady the unsettled mind.

vineyan · Post by **vineyan** » 23 Oct 2015, 16:32

People who had seen MS or were fortunate to move with her would be clearly swept off their feet on seeing her humility and her self effacing nature. Let us not pay much credence to TMK's view which at best can be an exercise in garnering mob attention.

However technically sound he may be in theory of music, it would be trying to see him in a live concert given the sort of contortions and gestures he makes while singing. Also his pronounciation needs much to be improved. In a Sahana song of Thooran about Mahaperiyava, the reference to Dakshinamoorthy was made as one sitting under Peepul tree(Aalin Kizh), this musician renders it as though under one person (aal). So much for his care in rendering lyrics. Yet he has the temerity to pass judgment over a musician of the stature of MS

kvchellappa · Post by **kvchellappa** » 23 Oct 2015, 18:03

Varsha,
That is a beautiful poem. You have two antennae no doubt.
That reminds me of the KuraL:
Mahan thanthathikku Atrum udavi ivan thanthai
EnnotrAn kol enum sil.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 23 Oct 2015, 19:10

This thread brims with illuminating posts of late! A flooding of the one and only MS's music as well! It has veered away to flow along merrily with the beauty and spiritual quality of her music. Thanks all!

sankark,
I am rereading your post. An inspired one!

Aditto · Post by **Aditto** » 24 Oct 2015, 11:39

http://chowdaiahandparvati.blogspot.in/ ... grand.html

Do listen to this concert if you have not heard earlier.

I have no words to thank the blog team of Chowdiah Parvati for sharing this concert.

Wish they upload few more concerts of MS

Regards,
Aditya.

kvchellappa · Post by **kvchellappa** » 24 Oct 2015, 17:42

A few impressions of Sri TS from a distance:
I attended a concert of Smt. MS in MA long ago. Sri TS spoke. He announced that Smt. MS was going on a concert tour of the far east. He added (uncharacteristically?) ‘poovudan serntha nArum maNam peRuvathu pola nAnum pokiren.’ That is the man who ruthlessly overpowered MS!
In Ponniyin Pudalvan, I read Sri TS having said, ‘I have a picture of MS in Kalki office not because she is my wife, but since she has contributed to its capital.’ That is the man who ruthlessly overpowered MS!
I happened to read an interview of MS where at one stage, Sri TS intervenes to say, ‘Her success and fame are not due to me, but her merit.’ That is the man who ruthlessly overpowered MS!
He ensured that his daughter provided vocal support to MS rather than embark on a musical career by herself. That is the man who ruthlessly overpowered MS!
He arranged top class accompanists for MS by astute judgment and shrewd efforts. He was ruthless if an accompanist goofed up, I read in one article. That is the man who ruthlessly overpowered MS!
As a naïve person amenable to being sentimental, I wonder if any other husband devoted his whole life for his wife’s career as Sri TS did.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 24 Oct 2015, 19:12

The last line in your post says it all.

This should make the naysayers wonder...for whatever reasons of TS's own (others can come up with reasons of their own, oft their own). How could such a phenomenon happen but for him (and by God's endless grace)?

Eventually, here's someone who picked up and polished a gem and made it a bhAratha ratnA. Befitting the title in every ounce of her musical expression and very being, she lived that way to the very end. Yes, she was IT, but only in the hands of that devoted craftsman could she attain that shining glory

cacm · Post by **cacm** » 24 Oct 2015, 20:15

Dear Sri. KVC & ARASI,
Having somewhat interacted over many years with the p[ersons in question I AGREE & AM GLAD YOU ARE WRITING ON THIS SUBJECT. Actually I contend it was the TRIO of TS, MS & RV that performed the MIRACLE OF THE CENTURY. VKV

Aditto · Post by **Aditto** » 24 Oct 2015, 21:50

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5k8g5MJ3nE - Sarasijamukhi Varnam in Arabhi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-qXbfvPe8Q - Prof.SRJ explains about this varnam.

Aditto · Post by **Aditto** » 25 Oct 2015, 13:22

https://www.mediafire.com/folder/vt1o6e ... udio_Clips - A set of links of MS. Courtesy : Sangeetapriya.

Concert without Accompanists is before the commencement of a discourse. I think it is Paramacharya, whose voice is heard at the end. Can some one confirm !

Swarakalpana of Keeravani, Alapana of Simhendramadhyamam, Swaras @ the end of Malamalavagowla RTP are worth listening to.

RTP Bhairavi is with ragamalika swarams. Bhaja Govindam has a different ragamalika (atleast one I suppose) from what we normally listen.

Guruleka, Devi Jagatjanani, Jaya Jaya Padmanabha and Cheli Nenetlu are not so heard pieces in MS concerts.

Regards,
Aditya.

kvchellappa · Post by **kvchellappa** » 25 Oct 2015, 15:30

It is in the midst of Anantharama Dikshitar's Srimad Bhagavatha pravachanam. He is about to describe the vaikunta darsanam to Parikshit. MS sings the stanza from the seond dasakam of Narayaneeyam describing the divine appearance of Vishnu as a prelude to Narayana Divya namam. MS-Kalki-Rajaji-Anantharama Dikshitar were a quartet that shared a bond to the bhakthi heritage.

Aditto · Post by **Aditto** » 25 Oct 2015, 15:39

Thanks Chellappa Sir

varsha · Post by **varsha** » 26 Oct 2015, 09:21

http://www.mediafire.com/listen/18ohfon ... aranam.mp3

kvchellappa · Post by **kvchellappa** » 26 Oct 2015, 11:12

Thanks. There was mention of 200 odd concerts of MS. How do we access?

kvchellappa · Post by **kvchellappa** » 26 Oct 2015, 11:14

I read, 'Einstein just had no sense of the absolute reverence there was for him.' That reminded me of MS.

Aditto · Post by **Aditto** » 31 Oct 2015, 19:16

Have read in rasikas that MS has sung varnam in Anandabhairavi. Whose is it? Can some one tell me?

Thanks varsha garu for the Sankarabharanam

Regards,
Aditya.

harimau · Post by **harimau** » 01 Nov 2015, 22:22

Aditto wrote:Have read in rasikas that MS has sung varnam in Anandabhairavi. Whose is it? Can some one tell me?

Aditya.

If you are thinking of Sami Nee Pai in Ata Talam, it is by Veenai Kuppayyar. Semmangudi used to sing it.

Ramasubramanian M.K · Post by **Ramasubramanian M.K** » 02 Nov 2015, 05:40

KV.Chellappa apropo your post of the 26th October "refuting" the innuendos against TS Mama,kudos to you.

If MS amma had heard you in person expressing the sentiments that you eloquently posted,this is what she would have said:
Chellappa Sir(I take it it is your real name!!),UNGAL VAIKKU SAKKARAI PODANUM.

Very few people know HOW much Mama admired Mami's music--once in a marriage concert,I was sitting next to Mama--Mami was singing Shankarabharanam raga soulfully followed by Sarojadala Netri--when she was doing the neraval Samagana Vinodhini and traversing the higher octaves in full splendor and Bhakthi--Mama was focuused on her intensely--unmindful of the various "dignitaries"(it was a Chennai High Society wedding!!!!) being ushered and seated next to him\-- and turns around towards me and says in Tamil what sweetness in melody and soaked in Bhakthi and yet she is not aware how enchanting her music is. As I have mentioned in my earlier posts on Mami and Mama,Mami's #1 FAN was Mama, notwithstanding all the innuendos about how he controlled Mami.--YES he could be very harsh in the post-concert discussions (never in the Car while returning but only when after reaching Kalki Gardens) pointing out why some portions of the concert were needlessly elongated and the need for balance and restraint in the Neravals and swaraprastharas.It will end up in a gentle admonition that "Art is bigger than all of us"--ofcourse Mami will be disappointed why he did not point out what she did well but quickly console herself saying Mama sonnal sariyai than Irukkum"(If Mama says it will be correct!!)--no fake humility or "tokenism"!!!
I do not think TMK because of his age would have had the opportunity to analyse her personality,strengths and demeanour towards the audience-conoscenti and others alike!!.

Aditto · Post by **Aditto** » 02 Nov 2015, 09:45

If you are thinking of Sami Nee Pai in Ata Talam, it is by Veenai Kuppayyar. Semmangudi used to sing it.

Thanks.

kvchellappa · Post by **kvchellappa** » 02 Nov 2015, 13:10

Sri MKR sir, namaskarams. Thanks for your comments.

munirao2001 · Post by **munirao2001** » 02 Nov 2015, 14:18

Ramasubramanian.M.K.Sir,

I do not think TMK because of his age would have had the opportunity to analyse her personality,strengths and demeanor towards the audience-cognoscenti and others alike!!.

All of us are aware of the stories and gossip goes in private amongst the practitioners and also rasikas. TMK's observation and opinions must have been based on such stories and gossips in circulation and not purely his own imagination. Just like the stories and gossips, we can either accept or reject. My own personal observation on TS mama was 'Benevolent Dictator' with traits of 'perfectionist'.

munirao2001

munirao2001 · Post by **munirao2001** » 02 Nov 2015, 14:25

KVC Sir,

'Einstein just had no sense of the absolute reverence there was for him.'

Can't agree Sir. He was immensely popular, most sought after in elite social circles and his personal intimacy with female admirers (lovers) is well documented and published. Einstein was fully conscious of his status.

munirao2001

kvchellappa · Post by **kvchellappa** » 02 Nov 2015, 14:31

Sir, I did not say it. I read in the book by Walter Isaacson, as said by one of Einstein's associates. Throughout the book, his humility comes through. Yes, he liked publicity and women. But, that does not seem to refute humility. Even his momentous discoveries, he acknowledges as culmination of the work of many that went before him. He says, 'Our existence depends on many other existences.' I get a different impression and am willing to believe in his humility.