The Doctrine of Mystics - The Secret of Vedas - Aurobindo

[vgovindan]

Explained by Swami Sarvapriyananda -

https://youtu.be/TuQjjImYtAQ?si=61zVyKHus8Prg03J

[rajeshnat]

Explained by Swami Sarvapriyananda -

https://youtu.be/TuQjjImYtAQ?si=61zVyKHus8Prg03J

3 years back i got acclimitized about Swami Sarvapriyananda .I heard some of his lectures especially bhagawad gita, he is so lucid and crystal clear

For those who dont know Swami Sarvapriyananda, he is the monk based out of NewYork of Ramakrishna math, he underwent his trainiing for many years from india and is now in NY.

I suggest each of you hear. VGV sir double namaskarams to you . My ask which you said before that you will do , please do Sir

[vgovindan]

Mysticism, arising from quest, is found everywhere. But, we only hear the voices of scholarly arrogance bereft of 'darSana', because that - voice of scholarship - drowns the voice of sanity.
Is this - video link given below - anyway less than Advaita Vedanta principle of 'brahma satyam-jagan-mithyA'?

https://photos.app.goo.gl/62jmN4uBGRL8Hht9A

[sam]

All the major religions of the world, be they, Christianity ( both Catholic and Protestant- with quite a few subdivisions), Islam ( again with very major subdivisions like Sunni, Shia and sufism), Sikhism, and of course, HINDUISM, have had a continuous history of mystics---real like Paramahamsa, Shirdi SAIbaba, RamaNa Maharishi and huge number of
disgusting FAKE GODMEN, especially in Hindu religion....especially in the current era.
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Heads of religious mutts , even the poojaneeya Kanchi mahA periyavAL, never claim to be mystics.
The same is true of all major religions of the world
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Real mystics transcend all organized religion.
In a way, they are outside the pale of society.
Even Srungeri mutt head was a maanasika admirer and student of Sadaasiva Brammendra- an avadhootha.

No mystic in history ever established an organization.
Their followers did.
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To the best of my knowledge, both Jainism and Buddhism, never speak of Mysticism.
Their stress is entirely on ETHICS.
In a way, they reject the notion of personal or impersonal FIRST CAUSE. So they are a-theistic.
Quite a few UPANISHADS speak in that language. There is no personal GOD in any upanishad- the major eighteen.
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Some of them speak of karma theory and cycle of birth and death, heavily borrowed by both Jainism and Buddhism.
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Spread of Christianity and establishment of Church is due to St.John
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True mystics do not care for organizing.
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What any society needs at all times is organization of people of the land .
Religion based organizations serve that purpose.
Even Russia, even USA, even England and France,

In moments of national extinction, it is the religious organizations which regenerate the nation.
Liberation due to mysticism is intensely personal experience - entirely subjective.
it cannot and never did solve the misery of people.
Only scientists and technologists, deeply devoted to their land of birth, its ancient roots, culture and sacredness can do that.

Dr.Abdul KalAm exemplifies that principle. He was no ordinary scientist.
He knew a thing or two about Space technology, I believe.

This is true of ALL societies.
If everybody quits working and goes after obtaining personal salvation,
what will happen to society?
Either our nation masters technology and defends itself
or
the entire nation and people perish by the hands of
fake globalists and fanatical jehadists.
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Mystics are no monopoly of any particular religion.
St. Francis of Assisi, comes to mind.
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To reiterate, true mystics do not differentiate between Good and Evil.
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Thus they play no part in social and historical evolution.
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But it is religious leaders like Guru Naanak, Raamdas of Maharashtra,
NARAyaNa Guru who organize society and fight to save the poor people and the land.
In every country, the respective societies owe their ALL to their respective religious organizers and organizations.
Not to mystics.
Mysticism leads to near indifference to social issues. But religious organizations do their best to solve social problems. Though, it sometimes leads to misuse and suffering,
Nothing unifies a society like its spiritual core and religion.
Witness the huge but orderly participation of people of all shades in Maha Kumbamela.
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Adi Sankara was an organizer.
So were RaamAnujna and MAdhwaachARya
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Shall we focus our effort on finding a solution to the problems of the people or on solving the mystery of creation--
- Space travel seems easier in this era than solving the nature of space.

[vgovindan]

Field Theory of Consciousness - an interesting article - link given below.
It is notable that, what Abrahamic Religions call as 'Satan' is nothing but Individual or Self-consciousness.
There is an interesting mention about group meditation - Mahesh Yogi effect. Maybe this is what the idea behind such activities of modern Gurus, like Osho, Ravi Shankar and Jaggi Vasudeva etc.

http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/Fie ... sciousness

[vgovindan]

https://youtu.be/sQKvzwRtUfU?si=Qe4vyyl-khlQXESe

Truth of Islam and its close proximity - nay oneness - with Hinduism or Buddhism. If only this mystic aspect of Islam could prevail, this World would become a heaven on Earth.

[vgovindan]

Every human is a unique work of God's art.

https://youtu.be/Mm0uSTzqXhE?si=z_sAu0WIsXuNvVNg

[vgovindan]

https://vivekavani.com/ky2/

A great teaching on karma yoga.

[shankarank]

As regards, the varied moral judgements that svAmi vivEKAnandA discusses in the article, to settle matters of what is dharma, the concept of sahRdaya seems important:

https://www.wisdomlib.org/history/compi ... 73710.html

"What is Dharma?" is established , just as any higher truth is established , via the guru-Sishya samvAda. Bhagavat pAda himself went in search of the guru at the first outset.

I submit that guru-Sishya samvAda and sahRdayatvA are in fact one and the same.

svAmi vivEKAnandA has brought out that early , what has been a raging public debate now over a century: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_relativism

If you are Noam Chomsky reader, you would remember his invocation of a Mafia Don , whenever somebody confronts him with this question

This also relates to the hard problem of consciousness, where there is search for a third party evidence.

Now that we have this LLM which seems to have "passed the Turing test" :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test
https://arxiv.org/abs/2503.23674

the third party evidence of consciousness is now back in the discussion.

But is mere proper speech or acceptable response to queries evidence of consciousness?

Concept of consciousness itself is an introspective proposition, which can be agreeable between two sahRdayas.

From this article again: https://www.wisdomlib.org/history/compi ... 73710.html

Is it possible for anyone to have a similar feeling as the other? The answer is ‘yes’. The human nature is like that. The Indian philosophers of different schools gave different interpretations, but the truth is one, that feelings for all human beings are the same.

This is a sweeping claim based on sameness of all human beings. It feels different from say, "all electrons are same", and hence all of the universe is filled with that same thing with same exact properties".

For a given human being, there is no complete third party evidence as to what is to be human. Lot of it are claims based on introspective experience. Whereas for an electron there is!

[sam]

I think that Maadhwa philosophy and life values are closest to Classical carnatic music...Thyagaraja swami kruthis like those of Purandaradasa illustrate the basic tenets excellently.