APRIL 2007 CONCERT - 14TH APRIL - 6 PM

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 27 Apr 2007, 23:17

Coolkarni-
the file downlaoded alright bur does not play on Windows Media Player. Asks for codecs? I could play on real player.
Does the file start with something other than Suryaprakash?

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 27 Apr 2007, 23:21

coimbatorerasigan
Before you have a go at mods(Starting with K & C or otherwise), do spend sometime appreciating what the mods do. Its all easy to cry foul. And please avoid adding fuel to the fire from the wings. You may get a kick out of it, but it serves no purpose.

coimbatorerasigan · Post by **coimbatorerasigan** » 27 Apr 2007, 23:24

Agreed!

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 27 Apr 2007, 23:30

Thanks for understanding.

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 27 Apr 2007, 23:36

DRS,
the files plays on WMP for me.

The audio is from video so there are some introductory music and welcome scenes at Sri Mannakkal's home before the concert. I watched it

jayaram · Post by **jayaram** » 28 Apr 2007, 00:27

We mods are under control

Good to hear that unnecessary meddling is a thing of the past.
Thank you for your cooperation.

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 28 Apr 2007, 06:37

Moderation in Rasikas.org

A THANKLESS JOB.
Not one soul , till date, has ever bothered to thank us for all the services we render , but the smallest window of opportunity is always seized to poke at us.
A pretty depressing sight , considering that Classical Music is expected to be patronised by people with evolved tastes.

Signed ..Goolgarni
(The G is to show solidarity with moderators whose Ids dont start with a C or a K )

And in case some of you believe that we moderators have any special privileges or perks , you are free to ask for a poll for removing us or approaching Srkris to replace any or all of us.
But please make sure that you avoid using all your multiple IDs -if any- to be eligible for a good hearing.The Mods have cooperated all these years , by overlooking these silly acts.

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 28 Apr 2007, 06:47

The audio is from the Video recording.
DRS and Suji
Yes I prised it out of the Video.
As I said earlier,the recordings on Audio tape -through the mike system- was incomplete.
You would be missing out on some fun if you don't watch the video.
With due respect to all the artists , I am particularly fascinated-in this video- by Shankarnarayanan's Mridangam.
It is wonderful to see him give it a real rip.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 28 Apr 2007, 07:27

Cool,
Before a fellow member pounces on me for airing my views freely, let me have the privilege of amending the words in your opening sentence: 'not a soul' (sad) to 'only a few'--which is pathetic enough.
Taking things for granted, particularly of the moderators (well, those who offer their services by expending their energy and time) is unacceptable. Not to recognize it or to be insensitive to it is unkind. But for their love for music and for their generous SHARING, there would be no forum. It is pitiable if we as members who possess a love for music do not share goodwill.
I would go on, but want to make way for those who would echo my sentiments...

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 28 Apr 2007, 07:28

Audio Track of CD no 2 is up , on post no 30

gdg · Post by **gdg** » 28 Apr 2007, 08:09

dear moderators and the people who have made the forum possible,

let me place on record my deepest gratitude for the services rendered by the forum. i introduced the forum to my son aditya and there was no looking back for him. he is always on the net and he has been downloading innumerable renditions by vidwans alive and dead and this has contributed to his improved music. especially he has become very fond of SSI and DKP which he would have otherwise not bothered to apply his mind to had not there been a forum like this. this has also saved me some money on purchase of commercial recordings. also rare renditions by stalwarts which are not available in shops are abundant in the forum.
as a member i fully realise and endorse that the moderators' jobs aren't easy especially in an area where the work is 24 hours and that too without returns. it is only their passion for music which drives them to do this difficult task.
thanks once again.

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 28 Apr 2007, 09:26

Arasi and GDG
Thanks.I meant services rendered as a Moderator.
As members we all take out much more than what we give here.
That is why we were forced to define ourselves as Members first-Moderators next and all that stuff.
But I cant understand the sting or glee when people take a poke.And the fact that people have such a fine memory for all the unwanted things.
No need to imagine a situation without moderators.
If we dont chip in for just an hour - inspite of the different time zones we live in-there are members who keep looking for us with remarks - Now where are the moderators- as they though they had hired us to work as Bouncers .
It is plain and simple.
We Moderators hate to be watched closely and judged , in the manner some people are doing here.

jayaram · Post by **jayaram** » 28 Apr 2007, 15:11

We Moderators hate to be watched closely and judged

Yep. And the same applies to non-mod members also.
We are all equal here. Nobody is 'more equal'. Restraint is to be shown by all.

Thanks to all for making this forum a democratic place.

srkris · Post by **srkris** » 28 Apr 2007, 15:25

jayaram wrote:
We Moderators hate to be watched closely and judged
Yep. And the same applies to non-mod members also.
We are all equal here. Nobody is 'more equal'. Restraint is to be shown by all.

Thanks to all for making this forum a democratic place.

The forum is always democratic... remarks like "Good to hear that unnecessary meddling is a thing of the past" seem to indicate that people used to unnecessarily meddle with others, which is not true and not in good spirit. Please let us not comment on others actions.

The moderators are not privileged members. They are just helping me out to run the forum in the best possible manner. Any complaints/remarks may kindly be made to me (and only me) by using the "contact webmaster" link to the left. The moderators are only facilitators and not complaint-boxes. Thanks.

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 28 Apr 2007, 15:30

I would like to be excused and relieved of my duties as a Moderator.
Thanks for the understanding

vgvindan · Post by **vgvindan** » 28 Apr 2007, 17:07

srkris and other Moderators,
I request you to have thick-skin against criticisms, jokes and jibes.

Fellow Members - particulary those who have complaints against moderators,
It is in everybody's interest that this organisation grows and flourishes. Therefore, kindly desist from making any unnecessary comments - particulary personal - against moderators. In most of the forums all postings are first vetted. I find that approach is throttling free expression. Therefore, this forum is truly democratic. Let us not abuse it.

Cool,
Kindly do not take any hasty steps. I earnestly request You.

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 28 Apr 2007, 17:17

vgvindan
I will be around as a member with doubled efforts.
But as a moderator , my mind is made up.
That way I am not constrained to work on areas I dont like.
Nothing will change between us, I guarantee that.

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 28 Apr 2007, 23:02

Yet again there seems to be a missing link in my comprehension. How did this become about moderation complaints? (rhetorical question...)

But seeing as how it has....

This forum is, it seems to me, so well moderated that that I never notice the moderation. It helps that it is consists of a group of people fairly focused on a specific subject, and it helps that that subject is one that, while certainly inspiring passions, is one one of the finer persuits in life.

Not that that ensures that we are angels --- and I can think of at least one post I have made recently which I knew would annoy, and of stating views fairly bluntly in other posts.

As a moderator on another bulletin board which is far larger and more varied than this one, I sometimes think how peaceful it is here by comparison. Of course I should know better: the moderation work goes on behind the scenes, and the less obvious it is the more successful it is.

On that forum we take the view that it is not in the least democratic: it is privately owned and financed by its owner who is assisted by a team of broadly-like-minded moderators.

It is like a private home; those who like it are welcome to stay, those who do not should move on somewhere else and, while good ideas are always accepted, those who come just to start meaningless arguments, indulge in self-advertisement or carp at the way we run are 'home' are sometimes forcibly encouraged to go elsewhere.

I've long since given up justyfying our actions, or defending myself against charges of inconsistency: I'm a volunteer website moderator, not a high court judge, for goodness sake.

Perhaps I don't read enough of the forums on this site to appreciate how much pressure the mods come under here.

But, for my part, I appreciate you guys, and sympathise. I'm horrified that coolkarni feels the need to leave the job.

Now... I may have missed the link, but I know we were talking about a truly uplifting concert, and it is a great shame that all this stuff should get in the way.

If any moderator feels like deleting it all, I certainly will be happy to see this post disapear.

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 28 Apr 2007, 23:54

coolkarni wrote:Videography
For the next concert , is there a member in Chennai with faster upload facilities , who can share the burden of uploading these bigger video files.I can reach out the copies to the designated person , next time.

Coolji
So far you have uploaded only the first 2 vcd's . I do have all the four vcd's with me. If you can mail me the instructions of how to split as tracks , I will upload the 3rd and 4th vcd's . The only crunch for me is I have to upload on sundays at my home. My office does block me to upload and download stuff. Coolji, I am awaiting instructions on how to split as tracks. From next concert count on me to upload.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 29 Apr 2007, 01:05

Well said, Nick. As you say, let us get off this thread to make way for good music. After all, it is Suryaprakash's music we should be discussing here.

Rajesh,
That's the way to go about it. Offer help if you can, and it is appreciated...

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 29 Apr 2007, 10:07

Audio track of CD no 3 added in post no 30.
will continue with video slices of cd no 3

mahesh33 · Post by **mahesh33** » 29 Apr 2007, 23:44

Fantastic uploads, thank you very much! Sevikka Vendum Aiya is a dream....

jayaram · Post by **jayaram** » 30 Apr 2007, 04:55

Yes, the Andholika is awesome indeed. There are certain parts that have a distinct western music feel, esp the way Shri Sundaresan plays the notes on the violin...

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 30 Apr 2007, 09:06

The concluding part of the Audio set has been posted on # 30.

Video slices will continue from now on till the end.

mri_fan · Post by **mri_fan** » 30 Apr 2007, 10:50

The mridangam accompaniment is phenomenal. Great concert. I'm guilty of sititing here refreshinig the page every hour or so so I can download the latest video clip!

srkris · Post by **srkris** » 30 Apr 2007, 11:04

People, I have already said all complaints against moderators may be addressed to me only. Please use the "contact webmaster" link to the left to email me.

The moderators are helping me, and I alone take the brickbats that members have to offer in the case of a grievance.

Members cannot ask for moderators to be changed or retired.

Coolkarni has repeatedly proved his objectivity so many times and he cannot be asked to step aside. I request coolkarni to retain his "cool" and pls continue.

Please dont comment on the open forum about any other member since it spoils the spirit.

Again I add that moderators cannot be addressed directly for complaints. As someone said, being a moderator is a thankless job, so please have some empathy for them. Please route all your complaints and grievances to me alone. Thanks.

Forum Admin

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 30 Apr 2007, 12:00

All,
Eventhough I enjoyed the live concert I was seated behind MAS and I could not observe the parur glides.I had a chance to see the video dump all the way from start to the end of RTP. There is something special about left handed mridangist , especially in the context of the video. When a mridangist plays left and if it is a right handed violinist , you can see in close quarters of how the violinist plays as the front side of the violin is before the camera.

Perhaps you have to wait for the brilliant tAnam , when MAS is picturized closely(the parur discrete glides...), the enthusiasm of this young lad sankaranarayanan in mridangam , and ofcourse suryaprakash, who is an allout musician.

Cool,
Philip truly rocks!!!

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 30 Apr 2007, 12:42

Rajesh
Philip was reported to have spent the whole night excitedly , working on the video.These are early days for him and the bug has bitten him, too.It is true that when somebody puts heart and soul into an effort , the results are so obvious.
Watch out for the opening lines of the pallavi-Nayakane Vinayakane- somehow he must have found a freezing shot somewhere - of the Lord adorning the walls of the Manakkal home - The Lord promptly appears on the screen for a few seconds , before making way for SuryaPrakash.
Mri-Thanks.Wish I could upload as fast as you download.

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 30 Apr 2007, 18:49

Yes, Philip has done an excellent job with the video. The framing of the artists is just right with the right level of close-up and done tastefully and it makes one feel right there in front of the artists.

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 30 Apr 2007, 21:40

Watching the video in this concert is a special treat! Great!

mri_fan · Post by **mri_fan** » 01 May 2007, 12:41

I've just listened to the first set of ragamalika swarams and I was wondering if anyone noticed how Sankaranarayanan adapted by playing many tabla-sounding nadais for the Hindustani flavor of Suryaprakash and Sundaresan 's Desh. It could just be me, but I have not heard that very often at all and wanted to point it out.

I appreciate the effort in uploading them sir. Know that there is at least one (and most certainly many more) rasikas savoring every upload.

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 02 May 2007, 18:12

CAN SOMEONE CONFIRM IF ALL LINKS HAVE WORKED WELL.

I can then focus on the next project.

mri_fan · Post by **mri_fan** » 02 May 2007, 19:01

All video links have worked for me. I have not tried the audio links.

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 02 May 2007, 19:50

thanks mri_fan

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 02 May 2007, 20:16

I noticed a shruthi bedhAm on that day to bowli?/revagupti? in rAga alApani of RTP, can somebody crosscheck if there was one and let me know.

I have the whole dump of VCD , I have not downloaded as tracks , Can somebody who has downloaded the video, let me know which track has got the rAgam of RTP in simmhendramadhyamam. I will download that one and try to point out the same in minutes, only if I could

.

On a side note, I had a chance to drop sankaranaAyanan at the end of the concert . He has sacrificed his engg course in shri venkateshwara college of engineering all for the love for mridangam. He is just pursuing his first year in MA sanskrit at vivekananda college.

Also suryaprakash in early 1980's who topped in ranks decided to skip a BITS Pilani seat and joined instead MCC college in BSC chemistry. I felt rajesh (me)in between suryaprakash and sankaranarayanan's age should have done the same , after all in most of our lives , the age 17 is the crucial tipping point which decides "you like what you do

" vs "you do what you like

"

sridevi · Post by **sridevi** » 02 May 2007, 20:43

The audio links and files are just fine! Thanks Coolji.

Sridevi

sankirnam · Post by **sankirnam** » 02 May 2007, 21:49

Coolkarni, I downloaded all the video tracks, they are all working fine.
I downloaded this concert just to listen to Sankaranarayanan, and as usual, I am not disappointed! The video and audio quality is really very good, many thanks to you and Phillip for your efforts.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 03 May 2007, 01:15

sankirnam,
You meant the Sishya when you said Sankaranarayanan, didn't you?

sankirnam · Post by **sankirnam** » 03 May 2007, 04:36

I was referring to the mrudangist...

jayaram · Post by **jayaram** » 03 May 2007, 04:44

It's fascinating how Sankaranarayanan spontaneously glides in with the mridangam during the Tanam. Also notice how Surayaprakash puts talam for tanam. Quite interesting, both...

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 03 May 2007, 06:50

Sorry, sankirnam!
I should have realized that you are one of our laya experts (enthusiasts) :rolleyes:

sankirnam · Post by **sankirnam** » 03 May 2007, 06:59

During the thanam, if the mrudangist accompanies, the artist usually maintains the beat for convenience's sake.

Arasi, no offense taken! After all you are much, much, more senior to me...

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 03 May 2007, 07:21

Sankirnam
We get your point.
Suryaprakash is the kind of of guy, who, when invited for dinner as a guest, will be seen at the host's kitchen , helping out with dishes,too.
His enthusiasm is infectious.The last time he visited my home he started explaining singing for thanam at about 9PM.
And it was well past midnight , when he cooled down sufficiently to take leave.That was one great experience in-can you guess- Dhrupad style of singing and similarities with the Carnatic style of Thanam.
Very Very Infectious.

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 03 May 2007, 08:03

rajesh
those tidbits were nice.These artists suddenly jump out of paintings on the wall and become human beings,don't they ?
Thats the beauty of these chamber music concerts.
I enjoy every bit of the experience.
On two occasions I have been the first to meet MAS at the gates.And it is delightful to watch him enter.
Enter a home he has never entered before.Pausing at a spot where he can place his violin , readjust his Veshti with just a mild twist of a knot, surveying the atmosphere.
I wonder what these artists think when they climb the stairs.And with the first pass of the bow , or the first tap on leather, they can conjure up a different world.
God Bless them all ,who pursue ,what their heart tells them to.

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 03 May 2007, 11:07

Folks

Month of May will be a Holiday for our concerts.The weather is just too oppressive.
I am giving you all a lot of advance Information.In the hope that Attendance at Concerts will improve.

July 28th date has been fixed up for a Manda Sudha
Rani concert

June has been fixed as the month for our flirting with Laya.
Mannarkoil Balaji has gracefully accepted to demonsrate and answer all our questions- in front of a Video so that we can save these lessons for the rest of our lives !
We plan to have Mannargudi Eswaran to grace the occasion and act as a facilitator.
So it will be a time for all those silly questions and a time for courage to bring out our palms in the opem and Keep the Thala.

I am in touch with Akella Sarma Ji for giving a further fillip to our understandings , in a second session in August or thereabouts .
Inviting him for this round itself in June would make it lengthy, perhaps.

So folks , please feel free to get in touch with me on this.
Technical issues that need to be raised in the lec dem can please be emailed to me in short snatches.I will make it a point to consolidate and throw them up here for fine tuning.

Would love to hear more from Chennaites. I dont think we can continue to fill up the Hall with our Family members for long periods !!

mri_fan · Post by **mri_fan** » 03 May 2007, 11:16

Coolkarni sir,

Would you be willing to entertain the idea of making a small component of the laya session with Mannarkoil Balaji open to questions previously submitted online? I think adding that component would let some of us who don't have the benefit of being in Chennai feel like we've participated.

Thanks for all your work

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 03 May 2007, 11:22

Yes.But I am afraid of cluttering up space here.
We , the Chennai based members here are planning to have a preliminary meet with Balaji at his convenience, possibly after 15th May.
Let me try and consolidate all the inputs I have received till date and post it on a thread here.We can modify it with all the extra inputs.My own gut feeling is that we may end up having more than one program on this subject.There are just too many guys (kansens) like me around here.

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 03 May 2007, 15:37

Extremely happy to receive your kind e-mail and to note the contents. I felt very glad to know that your are striving hard to enlighten our people in the process of preservation
and nurturing our great tradition. Take it for granted
that I am always with you in this sacred task.
Till now, I do not have any engagement in June, 2007.
You can fix any date and inform me. We will have people of different kinds of levels and, I think, it is always desirable to take proper care even from the elementary aspects. So, let us meet first in June and basing upon the things available we shall make a suitable plan accordingly. If it is needed, it is not at all difficult to have even monthly meetings at
Chennai for the benefit of our brothers and sisters,
if they are really intersted.
Very nice to hear that you have attended my Lecture-demonstration at Chennai arranged by my friend, Sri TRS.

I have received this mail from AM Sarma'ji.

So thats it .we meet at Nageswarans place, like last time, to chart out the details along with Balaji .Tentative date for this meet
13th May 2007 10 AM.
Should give Nick enough time to settle down and Vijay to return from the land of Kalinga.
sbala , can we expect you , too?.

So thank you Sarmaji.We will confirm the dates immediately thereafter.
And we sincrerely hope that you bring you Violin along, too.

In the meanwhile, I will keep posting suggestions , requests for topics received till date , in a separate thread.

SangithaRasika · Post by **SangithaRasika** » 08 May 2007, 02:38

If someone hasnt stumbled upon this, an interesting read. I havent read anyone doing this before.

http://www.chennaionline.com/musicseason2006/int02.asp

~SR

SangithaRasika · Post by **SangithaRasika** » 08 May 2007, 06:24

Oooops, I am late ....... coolji .. put the same article on a different thread !

~SR