Manda sudha rani@taramani(concert #5) on July 28th,2007

pgaiyar · Post by **pgaiyar** » 22 Aug 2007, 05:26

To: Ram/Music

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P. G. Aiyar

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 22 Aug 2007, 10:29

rajeshnat wrote:
Her last emotive rendition of annamAcharya slokham in shenjuruTTi (not navaroz as she had mentioned )was very good.

So what raga is it actually? If I remember right, G. Ravikiran mentioned in the recent World space radio program that these two ragas are pretty much the same except for the range of swaras that are allowed. Both allow for a range from mandhra sthayi to the madhya sthayi. I think he said that with Navroz, one can go one swarasthana higher. Can someone enlighten us on this? Thanks.

kmrasika · Post by **kmrasika** » 24 Aug 2007, 17:02

I can't seem to d/l any of the links. Oh well, will try again. Also,

rArA chinnanA - sloKham or viruththam (how do you call it if sung in telegu??) - annamAcharya

If the artist chose to sing it with tALa, it could be called kanda padyam(I understand there is a meter involved). There are also other music forms from Andhra like cUrNikA(don't think it fits this category), sIsa padyam, dvivapada(very short) or gadyam. nArAyaNa tIrtha, bhadrAcala rAmadAsa and tyAgarAja are known composers who have employed these forms of music composition.

Ragjay · Post by **Ragjay** » 25 Aug 2007, 19:58

Hi I do not understand the fuss being created for deletion of the concert from sangeethapriya site. It wud reach a larger group of people who can download and enjoy this wonderful concert. It is one of the best concerts that I haveheard in recent times. Such unheard of artist deserves to be encouraged. But such a move would be counterproductive. I hope that there is no politics behind this move BFN Ragjay

vgvindan · Post by **vgvindan** » 25 Aug 2007, 20:37

'rArA cinnanna' has been sung by MS also - not as a viruttam but as a song. RPG-SFHVS-847538

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 25 Aug 2007, 20:41

Ragjay: FYI..See post #46 in this thread.

Ragjay · Post by **Ragjay** » 25 Aug 2007, 21:39

Hi Vasanthakokilam I saw the post and also the mail to rasikapriya group ,hence my remark.I presume a lot of members of this group are also members of the other forum. My intention was that this artist should get due recognition and a lot more people should listen to her concert and hence the remark. There is nothing more to this. BFN Raghavan

s_hari · Post by **s_hari** » 25 Aug 2007, 22:15

Dear Sri Raghavan, This concert was organized and sponsorted by rasikas.org, and we need to respect sentiments of the artist & the organizers. So, i would leave it to the organizers. I do agree that there is wider reach by sharing with sister group, and also that the concert is archived for future reference.

-hari

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 25 Aug 2007, 22:24

vasanthakokilam wrote:
rajeshnat wrote:
Her last emotive rendition of annamAcharya slokham in shenjuruTTi (not navaroz as she had mentioned )was very good.
So what raga is it actually? If I remember right, G. Ravikiran mentioned in the recent World space radio program that these two ragas are pretty much the same except for the range of swaras that are allowed. Both allow for a range from mandhra sthayi to the madhya sthayi. I think he said that with Navroz, one can go one swarasthana higher. Can someone enlighten us on this? Thanks.

VK,
Here is the chronology to explain better . I am not sure if you have seen the video recording yet.

1.The artist informed before rendering rArA chinnanA as navarOz. But when I and Ram heard we both were thinking only as shenjuruTTi , my frame of reference of navarOZ is more in lakshya feel with a popular MS subhulakshmi number "Krishna mukundA mUrArE"

2. Since I was inquisitive to know the diff between navarOz vs shenjuruTTi ,I asked Smt Sudha rAni . Then Smt Sudha rAni clarified that no I only sang shenjuruTTi and not navarOz which was privately discussed with me and another non rasikas.org rasikA and she said that she announced it wrongly before.

Hence I had to say "Her last emotive rendition of annamAcharya slokham in shenjuruTTi (not navaroz as she had mentioned) "

On a funny note ,when I thought I heard shenjuruTTi of one concert with the doyen Shri ManakkAl@IIT , his son Shri ShrirAm clarifies as yamunAkalyAni after talking with his dad. When I heard Smt SudharAni , it went from navarOz to shenjurutti. Perhaps shenjuruTTi - navarOz-jinjOti -yamunAkalyAni is a spin that is still unsettled in my head. Possibly the problem is more likely only with me or just perhaps there is a minor possibility that artists are also in the same spin.

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 26 Aug 2007, 02:05

Thanks rajeshnat. That makes sense. Another point that tallies is, at the end of that song Ms. Sudharani compares her folkish rendition to Sakhi Prana (which is in Chenchuruti.)

Just to clear a confusion I may have caused:

We have a thread on Navroz: http://rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=55034 which has a link to the Brinda & Muktha rendition: http://www.sangeethapriya.org/~ramasund ... avaeoz.mp3

This song, Hastivadanaya, has resemblances to Kurinji. I probably mixed up what G. Ravikiran was saying on Wordspace Sruthi radio since he also featured Kurinji in that program. He most probably mentioned that Kurinji and Navroz are closely related. Sorry for the confusion.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 26 Aug 2007, 02:40

rasikAs have their own associations to certain rAGAs it seems. I have my own share of them, for sure. SenjuruTTi does not tend to confuse me, though. It has a lively quality. At least I don't know of any piece in that rAgA that has the ruminative (and often slow) pace of navarOZ or kuRinji. Those two sound like sister rAgAs to me...

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 20 Oct 2007, 20:56

Photos are uploaded .I hate to write this, but in my firefox browser it does not work, but in my IE browser it works. Photos of sudharani's concert.

http://picasaweb.google.com/rajeshnat/M ... ly28th2007

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 20 Oct 2007, 21:11

Many many thanks Rajesh! Better late than never!
That picture of the Cool Smile is worth millions!

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 21 Oct 2007, 05:49

I see 8 photos.

If that is all there are, then it works fine in my FireFox browser

Thanks for the upload

vijay · Post by **vijay** » 21 Oct 2007, 12:05

Thanks Rajesh

vrbadri · Post by **vrbadri** » 21 Oct 2007, 19:55

If it may help folks, here is an audio version of navarOj by Smt Brinda and Smt Mukta.

(The song is hastivadanAya by dIkShhitar.)

http://www.sangeethapriya.org/Downloads/BM/index.html

I guess people would agree with the similarity of navarOj with kuRi~nji.

-Badri.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 22 Oct 2007, 04:43

Rajesh,
Thank you for bringing to us the aura of the rasikAs concerts by posting reviews. You bring them closer to us by taking pictures and by sharing them with us...