can anybody describe abt the raga--"VEENA VAHINI" ?

kovilpallavi · Post by **kovilpallavi** » 04 Apr 2008, 16:56

Hello members,,
I want to know abt the raga VEENA VAHINI.
What is its parent raga?
how is it different from the raga HAMSADWANI?
Can u plz send the link of any kritis in the raga "VEENA VAHINI" ?

regards,,
pallavi..

ramakriya · Post by **ramakriya** » 04 Apr 2008, 21:13

I guess you are talking about veenA vaadini

s r2 g3 p n2 s - s n2 p g3 r2 s

Replace the kAkli ni, in hamsadwani with kaishiki ni to get this scale.

-Ramakriya

kovilpallavi · Post by **kovilpallavi** » 05 Apr 2008, 10:37

HI ramakriya,
thanku for the reply.can u plz send any link of kritis in that raga?
regards,,
pallavi.

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 05 Apr 2008, 17:46

yesudas has sung a song in this raga. It is available at musicindiaonline.com - shrI gaNEshAtparam.

http://www.musicindiaonline.com/music/c ... artist.12/

vainika · Post by **vainika** » 05 Apr 2008, 19:01

Lakshman wrote:yesudas has sung a song in this raga. It is available at musicindiaonline.com - shrI gaNEshAtparam.

http://www.musicindiaonline.com/music/c ... artist.12/

What an abomination!

Not his singing, but the recasting of this kRti whose structure and notation in the original ArdradEshi are well preserved in the Pradarshini.

Ramnath Iyer · Post by **Ramnath Iyer** » 07 Apr 2008, 15:07

Ramki,
could not agree more, especially after hearing the kriti sung/played on the veena in its original raga and version by yourself !

Ramnath

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 07 Apr 2008, 21:04

Ramki
Could you kindly post an aalaapana clip on the original ArdradEshi !

Ramnath Iyer · Post by **Ramnath Iyer** » 08 Apr 2008, 07:23

cmlover,
I think it was in sangeetham.com forum that Ramki posted his version of this kriti. I think he had learnt the kriti himself following the notation in SSP....would love to hear it again.
Ramnath

ramakriya · Post by **ramakriya** » 08 Apr 2008, 11:35

Yes, I remember listening to Vainika's rendition of Sri ganEshAtparam too,

-Ramakriya

erode14 · Post by **erode14** » 08 Apr 2008, 14:44

yes.

I attended the guruguhanjali concert series (a decade ago) when UKS sir played for balaji shankar, tm krishna and trs mama.

Had the fortune of listening to the concerts with brahmashrI Dr. kAsi viswanAtha iyer (father of UKS sir), whom I used to fondly call as "mAmA" and who is a perfectionist to the core and a complete man.

After the inagural speech, while talking to shrIvathsA sir, I asked him about the song being sung in vINA vAdhini. He said, " I know who sings like that, but, the raga for it is ArdradEshi. Just like mAyA mALava gowLa, but, gAndhAram is sung three times in the avarOhaNam."

He said an interesting story about a slOkam in his inaugural speech.

Once, there lived sAdhu mama, who is retiered and concentrating in peaceful life doing the sandhyAvandhanam, pUjA etc. He had an interest in gardening too.

A neighbour of him, gopalakrishnan, had a cow. The cow used to tress pass and eat vegetables and leaves from the mama's garden. Since, he had lot of belief in sAsthra, the mama was unable to beat the cow or to take any action like that.

One day, when he finished the pooja, he started reciting the usual slokam,

"swasthi prajAbhyAm paripAlayanthAm
nyAyEna mArgEna mahIm mahImsAm
gO brAhmaNEbhya sUbhamasthu nithyam
lOkA samathA sukinO bhavanthu"

but, when he said gO brAhmaNEbhya, he suddenly remembered the cow of his neighbour... "ayyayO, pasu yellAm nannA irukkaNumnu vENdeeNdA, indha pakkaththaaththu pasuvum sowkhyamaa irundhu, namma praaNanai vaangumE...."

then he sang the slOkam like this....

"swasthi prajAbhyAm paripAlayanthAm
nyAyEna mArgEna mahIm mahImsAm
gO brAhmaNEbhya sUbhamasthu nithyam
gOpAlakrishnan pasu neengalAga"

kovilpallavi · Post by **kovilpallavi** » 08 Apr 2008, 17:45

that was nice story erode...

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 08 Apr 2008, 19:12

Nagaraj,
Super story! When it is close to home...

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 08 Apr 2008, 21:06

Super story Nagaraj! Just fixed the sanskrit

"swasti prajAbhyAm paripAlayantAm
nyAyEna mArgENa mahIm mahIshAm
gO brAhmaNEbhyaH shubhamastu nityam
gOpAlakriShNasya gO satatam vihAya"
(always excluding the cow of Gopalakrishnan

vgvindan · Post by **vgvindan** » 08 Apr 2008, 23:55

Indeed! When gO becomes that of gOpala, where is the need for any further invocation?

vidya · Post by **vidya** » 11 Apr 2008, 18:46

Ramnath Iyer wrote:cmlover,
I think it was in sangeetham.com forum that Ramki posted his version of this kriti. I think he had learnt the kriti himself following the notation in SSP....would love to hear it again.
Ramnath

Ramnath,
Here is a copy of the earlier recording that was posted on guruguha.org ( Ramki, I am sure you don't mind sharing this recording , since we would have to make do with this recording till you release ArdhradEshi 2.0 )
http://www.mediafire.com/?1fsdzhcenxf

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 11 Apr 2008, 19:04

Thanks Vidya/Musiri

and Ramki
What a difference! I could visualize Kalpakam Mami behind the veeNa plucks!
An object lesson in classicism!

vidya · Post by **vidya** » 11 Apr 2008, 19:20

cmlover,
Musiri?? Now am i missing something here?

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 11 Apr 2008, 21:24

Ramanath from old sangeetham days....

Ramnath Iyer · Post by **Ramnath Iyer** » 13 Apr 2008, 17:50

Vidya,
thanks for the clip. As CML says one could hear lot of his guru in Ramki's playing.

Ramki,
please give some background on how/why you unearthed this kriti from the SSP.

CML,
I am not musiri. I used to post as Ramnath only in Sangeetham. IIRC musiri is N Ramanathan of carnatica. He can confirm/deny this

Ramnath

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 13 Apr 2008, 19:13

Dear Ramnath
I subsequently realized. But in any case we are all sangeetham buddies and CM is the common thread that binds us all.

As age starts taking its toll on Kalpakam mami, it is incumbent on folks like Ramki to bring out these ancient classics and practices to light for the preservation of sampradaya and further educate us on the subtlities lest they get lost for ever!

vainika · Post by **vainika** » 13 Apr 2008, 23:35

Ramnath Iyer wrote:background on how/why you unearthed this kriti from the SSP.

I have a particular fondness for rAgas in the mALava-gauLa clan, and was - at that time - coming to the realization that the beauty of many of the MD songs in these (e.g. shrI gurunA , shrI bhArgavI, mangaLa dEvatE, rAma rAmakali) lay in the plaintive/stark nature of the notes, with kampita-type gamakas in strict moderation. The only other ArdradEshi rendition available then represented - to me - an "over-assakkified" version and I tried to imagine how a sibling of pADi-mArgadEshi-mangaLakaishiki would sound if reconstructed as per SSP notation.

vidya · Post by **vidya** » 14 Apr 2008, 19:36

vainika wrote:coming to the realization that the beauty of many of the MD songs in these (e.g. shrI gurunA , shrI bhArgavI, mangaLa dEvatE, rAma rAmakali) lay in the plaintive/stark nature of the notes, with kampita-type gamakas in strict moderation

I've also wondered why there is such a high spread of dwimadhyama ragas (or in some cases dwimadhyama possibilities) in this clan alone? Gaulipantu, MargadEshi, malavapancamam, ramakali etc. Perhaps the stark nature and the plaintive rendition has something to do with this.

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 14 Apr 2008, 21:33

ramki - i did not know that you have accompanied Hillary Duff!!

PS: Maybe my computer is playing nasty games on me. But the Artist tag of that file seems to say Hillary Duff when I played it in iTunes. And the genre is "Gangsta"

:D

Arun

vainika · Post by **vainika** » 14 Apr 2008, 23:36

Arun, you mean you haven't listened to the guruguha-gangsta rap genre before?

Ramnath Iyer · Post by **Ramnath Iyer** » 15 Apr 2008, 04:42

vainika wrote:The only other ArdradEshi rendition available then represented - to me - an "over-assakkified" version and I tried to imagine how a sibling of pADi-mArgadEshi-mangaLakaishiki would sound if reconstructed as per SSP notation.

Just out of curiosity Ramki, where did you hear the 'over-assakkified' (like this term by the way

) ? Has Lalitha also succumbed to this in your opinion ?
When you reconstructed, did you follow the SSP notation of gamaka symbol as well ?

Also, does anybody know if this song is recorded by the trio of TM Krishna, RK Shriramkumar and RS Jayalakshmi as part of their SSP project ? Would love to listen to their version also.

Ramnath

vainika · Post by **vainika** » 16 Apr 2008, 23:34

Ramnath,

Just out of curiosity Ramki, where did you hear the 'over-assakkified' (like this term by the way ) ?

You can probably find it on sangeethapriya if you search by song name.

Has Lalitha also succumbed to this in your opinion ?

I think the Ga tends to be OAfied/m-gauLafied often. In contrast, S Balachander's version is among the starkest and most beautiful.

did you follow the SSP notation of gamaka symbol as well ?

For most part, with some deletions when it came to the squiggles on Sa and insertions of jAru where I thought they would not be out of place.

Also, does anybody know if this song is recorded by the trio of TM Krishna, RK Shriramkumar and RS Jayalakshmi as part of their SSP project

Don't know, but it may be part of Dr. Jayalakshmi's Ph.D.: you could check here.

venkatpv · Post by **venkatpv** » 16 Apr 2008, 23:55

Also, does anybody know if this song is recorded by the trio of TM Krishna, RK Shriramkumar and RS Jayalakshmi as part of their SSP project

not so far, check their website http://www.jnanarnava.org/

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 17 Apr 2008, 00:14

ramki - that website is a gold mine of research material! Thanks!

Arun

PUNARVASU · Post by **PUNARVASU** » 17 Apr 2008, 22:53

I understand that the raga 'VEENA VADINI' is different from Hamsadhwani -only in the nishadam.
V.V. has kaisiki nishadham while H.D. has kakali nishadham.
There is this song' KaredarE bara bAradE guruvE' which ,I think, is in swarasammodhini.This sounds close to V.V. except that it does not have 'rishabham and nishadham in the arohanam and it is vakram I think-sgpsnpgps'
'.Avarohanam is 'snpgrs'.Can any one confirm if my assumption is correct?

ramakriya · Post by **ramakriya** » 18 Apr 2008, 00:08

Punarvasu,

I think you are assuming the right thing

-Ramakriya

PUNARVASU · Post by **PUNARVASU** » 18 Apr 2008, 07:47

Thanks Ramakriya.

muralian · Post by **muralian** » 18 Apr 2008, 11:16

can any body explain / describe with example the Raaga "GUNDAPRIYA"