Looking for 'Nalla Sagunam noekki selladi'

10yearslate · Post by **10yearslate** » 04 Sep 2008, 18:23

I was reading this bio of GNB and he is said to have launched into this very apposite tukkda 'Nalla Sagunam noekki selladi' (loosely translated to-'Look for a propitious sign before you leave') when a comely young lady sought to leave in the middle of his concert.

I haven't heard this song before, and a quick search on the net drew a blank. Wonder if any one has it.

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 04 Sep 2008, 19:23

There is a padam that starts with nalla sakunam - some details are available at http://www.kanakasabha.com/kanakasabha/ ... &cassid=48

And in the Depauw University archives, they have a concert by Sri Sriram Gangadharan on the 3rd of December 2003, where he is reported to have sung a composition starting with 'nalla sagunam' as the main piece - details at http://www.depauw.edu/library/musiclib/ ... tNumber=38

10yearslate · Post by **10yearslate** » 06 Sep 2008, 03:47

Can't hear the clips at these sites. Nevertheless Thank you Shankar-ji.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 08 Sep 2008, 08:23

Ravi,
I remember the unforgettable Bhanumati singing this song in her own inimitable way in a film. You have any idea about the film? Did she sing the whole song there?
Gobilalitha might know. CML too, if he isn't too busy

mohan · Post by **mohan** » 08 Sep 2008, 11:01

I have heard Trichur V Ramachandran sing this on a few occasions but I don't think I have a recording

kmrasika · Post by **kmrasika** » 08 Sep 2008, 17:58

Yes, it was GNB that popularized it. Smt sudhA ragunAthan has included the song in her album entitled, "tUdu cellAyO:"

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 09 Sep 2008, 08:43

arasi wrote:Ravi,
I remember the unforgettable Bhanumati singing this song in her own inimitable way in a film. You have any idea about the film? Did she sing the whole song there?
Gobilalitha might know. CML too, if he isn't too busy

Arasi,

It was P. Leela and the movie was malaikkaLLan.

Sounder,

If this is the song you are looking for, I think it is in shaNmukhapriyA...

pallavi:

nalla Sakunam nOkki S(c)ellaDI, Senru
nAn paDum pADu avarkku SollaDI, sakhI (nalla Sakunam nOkki...)

anupallavi:

allal agaTRi anbar Anandam aruL nESar
tillai pati naTESar tiruvuLLam ariya nI (nalla Sakunam nOkki....)

caraNam:

vaNNa malargaL yEdum vAsam taruvadilllai
paNNil inimaiyillai, pAlil Suvaiyum illai
kaNNil urakkam illai, karuttOr nilaiyil illai
puNNIyam unDaDI porkoDiyE unakku (nalla Sakunam nOkki.....)

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 09 Sep 2008, 08:44

I can see how it can make a nice padam...

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 09 Sep 2008, 10:08

Ravi,
Thanks! I thought malaik kaLLan (based on the novel by nAmakkal kavinyar) was a super film! I still feel the song was sung by Bhanumati. Why? Because I can only hear it in her voice, even now--with that faint telugu lilt which was all her own. The sellaDi, aDi all had her light touch. No, I can't hear it in Leela's voice! Moreover, why would Bhanumati need a playback singer? If only we could get hold of a recording!

correction: nAn paDum pADai avarkku sollaDi

Member_First · Post by **Member_First** » 09 Sep 2008, 13:04

anupallavi:

corrected version - allal aRruthanbarukku aanandam tarum nEsar
thillai pati naTESar tiruvullam iranga nI

Correction in Pallavi 2nd line

- nAn paDum pATTai avarkku sollaDi -

PUNARVASU · Post by **PUNARVASU** » 09 Sep 2008, 17:30

Arasi,
here it is: http://www.dhool.com/sotd2/815.html
Bhanumati had 4 songs in the movie- â€˜unnai azhaithadhu yaarO (â€˜evarO pilichaaru naa edanevarO gelicharuâ€™ in Telugu), â€˜peNgaLaalE ulagilE perumai kaaNum inbam thONum nilayaagavE endRumEâ€™ (â€˜evaruraa neevevaruraaâ€™ in Telugu), â€˜nalla saguNam nOkki selladiâ€™ (â€˜karuNa chooDavaleniâ€™ in Telugu), and â€˜naanE inba rOjaâ€™ (â€˜raaNi raaju raaNiâ€™ in Telugu). She also sang a few lines of aaNdalâ€™s â€˜naaLai vadhuvai maNamendRu naaLittuâ€™ without any musical accompaniment.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 09 Sep 2008, 18:48

Thank you Punarvasu! Enjoyed listening to her unnai azhaittadu yArO? too. What a gifted woman she was, acting, singing, penning scripts, producing, directing!

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 09 Sep 2008, 19:08

Arasi,

I was wrong!

Punarvasu,

That was a great find. Do you, by any chance know who wrote that column? It is awfully well written and very informative!

PUNARVASU · Post by **PUNARVASU** » 09 Sep 2008, 20:36

rshankar,
I think it is Saravanan; I just googled and got it.

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 10 Sep 2008, 00:54

Arasi/Member_First - Thanks for the corrections. I wrote down the lyrics as I heard them sung by Smt. Sudha Raghunathan, and will be the first to admit that many performers take liberties with lyrics!

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 10 Sep 2008, 04:40

Ravi,
True.

As for paDum pADu--'pATTai' though is the familiar expression, it is pADu (agitations) not pATTu (song). When you sing it too, pATTAi does not sound suitable. 'paDum pAdai' flows. 'Lightly, o lightly when we hear Bhanumati skim along the line, one can see it

PUNARVASU · Post by **PUNARVASU** » 10 Sep 2008, 05:59

arasi wrote:Ravi,
True.

As for paDum pADu--'pATTai' though is the familiar expression, it is pADu (agitations) not pATTu (song). When you sing it too, pATTAi does not sound suitable. 'paDum pAdai' flows. 'Lightly, o lightly when we hear Bhanumati skim along the line, one can see it

Arasi,
is it 'paDum pAdai' or 'paDum pADai'? as you wrote in your post-9?
'pADai' also has some other meaning in tamizh and hence the accusative singular of the word 'pADu' (difficulty) may be 'pATTai'(the same as that of the word 'pATTU' meaning 'song')

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 10 Sep 2008, 09:11

Punarvasu,
I see what you mean. Member_First pointed it out too. It goes like this: uDan pADu (agreement) uDan pATTUkkiNanga (according to the agreement). In my view, that is fine when it comes to prose. We have verse here, and singing on top of it. I had a feeling the association with the noun which means the final (old fashioned?) hindu human transport might add to the complexity, and so it seems! Now, think of pATTai--The listener might hear it as nAn pADum pATTAi! (the song that I sing).
Someone recently observed that we make a big deal out of these things (the lyrics gang). True, but I don't think it matters beause we learn something from it here and there and we also have fun with it...

PUNARVASU · Post by **PUNARVASU** » 10 Sep 2008, 09:49

Arasi, that is true; we get to learn something or the other.
Any way ,'nAn paDum pATTai' is different from 'nAn pADum pATTai'

'nAn paDum pATTai oru pATTAkki nAn pADinAl
nAn pADum pATTai ellOrum kETpArgaL.
nAn paDum pATTai ellOrum pArppArgaL.

(I can hear people murmuring 'enough'
paDamuDiyAdu ini pADu, paTTadu pOdum)

10yearslate · Post by **10yearslate** » 10 Sep 2008, 12:49

This is getting to be in the 'Paithyakkaara aaspathriyil velai parkkira vaidyanukku paithyam piditthaal...' conundrum of a couple of decades ago.

Soundar

PUNARVASU · Post by **PUNARVASU** » 10 Sep 2008, 19:30

I know; I am a fan of VISU too.

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 12 Sep 2008, 19:41

I am away from home but I managed to get hold of the book of compositions by Desiya Vinayakam Pillai.
Here is are the lyrics from this book:
rAgA: SaNmukhapriyA. Adi tALA. Composer: Desiya Vinayakam Pillai.

P: nalla sagunam nOkki sellaDi senru nAn paDum pADavarkku sollaDi
A: allal agaTri anbarkk-Anandam aruL nEsar
tillaip-padi naTEsar tiruvuLLam ariya nI
C: vaNNa malargaLEdum vAsam taruvadillai
paNNil inimaiyillai pAlir suvaiyumillai
kaNNil urakkamillai karuttOr nilaiyil illai
eNNi aLappadEnO ellAm arivAyODi
puNNiyam uNDaDi poTroDiyE inru

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 12 Sep 2008, 20:36

Thank you, Lakshman! Now I recall the other lines.

A few corrections:

P: paDum pADai avarkku SollaDi (i still stand by it!)

Ap:
agaTRi; aRiya
Is there the word Anandam there? anbarkkaruL nEsar (falls within the beat of the song) ??

C:
uRakkam illai; pAlil; poRkoDiyE

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 12 Sep 2008, 23:14

Lji,

Thanks - Looks like Smt. Sudha's version is very close to yours, except that she does not sing the penultimate line of the caraNa where the nAyikA exhorts her friend to not be brief, but instead, to describe her (the nAyikA's) suffering in excruciating detail.
porkoDi - literally a creeper of gold, but refers to a slender maiden with a fair or golden-hued complextion...

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 13 Sep 2008, 01:52

Ravi,
She needn't be a 'hEma latA' in complexion. She is slim of course, but can have a personality that shines and sparkles. After all, not many tamizh maidens are fair in complexion