STDS - Same Tune Different Song

[ajaysimha]

Hi rasikas,

Here is one more interesting topic to discuss.
We might have found many songs in Carnatic that have same tunes (Varna mettu )
Let's list them

To begin ...

Gananyakam bhajeham
Sri manini manohara
In rudhrapriya/purna shadjam

Singara velavan Vandana
Kanoonjal adi irundal
In andhabhairavi

Suma sayaka
Sarasa ninnu
In kapi

Bhaghyada Lakshmi
Sambandhi sappidavae
In madhyamavathi

Dasana madiko Enna
Bojonam seyya varungal
In nadhanamakriya

Nannu vidachi
Nannu brochutaku
In reethigowla

Jaya Jaya Rama
Jaya Jaya padmanabha
In manirangu

[HarishankarK]

Manasuloni Marmamulu
Thunai Purindarul
Both Varamu

Undedi Ramudu
Vandadum Solai
Both Harikamboji

[mohan]

Raghunayaka (Tyagaraja)
Karunai sevvai (Papanasam Sivan)

Dikshitar's nottu svara compositions
Various Western band tunes

[CRama]

Ninnu nera namminanura-Panthuvarali- Thyagraja
Ennaganu nama bhajana-Panthuvarali-Bhadrachala Ramadas
Ninnarul iyampalaguma-Panthuvarali-Papanasam Sivan-

[CRama]

Paritanamichite-Bilahari- Patnam Subramania Iyer
Nijam unai nambinen- Papanasam Sivan

Sringaralahari-Neelambari- Lingaraj Urs
Anandavalli- Neelambari- Swati Tirunal.

[ajaysimha]

thank you all for inputs

[MaheshS]

Sri Ramana Vibho [Swathi Thirunal] - Sri Sakala Ganadipa [BMK] - Arabhi

[HarishankarK]

Sringaralahari-Neelambari- Lingaraj Urs
Anandavalli- Neelambari- Swati Tirunal.

I don't think these two are same tune exactly - Anandavalli tempo itself is slower and it is more a padam. Sringaralahari is a kriti isn't it?

[sikhivahana]

Manasu karuga - Hamsadhwani - Patnam Subramania Iyer
Yuvati mana dAruN - Marathi natya sangeet

[ajaysimha]

Singara velavan Vandana
Kanoonjal adi irundal
In andhabhairavi

and paluke bangaramayena

[Ananth]

Birana vara and Himadri suthe.

[ajaysimha]

Venkatesh suprabatham
Kousalya supraja Rama - samskritha
vandhu udithai Rama - Tamil
Both in shuddha saveri

[ajaysimha]

nannu vidachi - thyagarajar
nannu brochutaku - mysore sadashiva rao
both in reethigowla ragam

[ajaysimha]

Got some more similar pairs,

A swarajathi pair in huseni ragam
e mayaladira (Merattur Venkatarama Shastri)
pahimam bruhannayike (attributed to Swathi thirunal)


And some more from the good old times of indian cinema

krishna nee vegamai varai (lyrics by Papanasam sivan)
Inspired by krishna nee begane baro

Kadal kanirasame (sung by p u chinnappa) an inspiration of nada tanumanisham

Maravene ennalilume (sung by MSS - Meera) an inspiration of cheli nenetu sahintune

Any more such film tunes, forumites ?

[Pratyaksham Bala]

.
eppO varuvArO tune :

Sattva Guna Bodhan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQkwG-0W_0Y

[shankarank]

SyAma sundarAnga and bAlakrishnan pAdamalar seem going in similar contours , but Prof TRS did say that the latter is original.

celineNEtlu sAhintunE has a counterpart in another tamizh song with the same tune - which Vid K Gayathri sang - I think youtube recording is available.

[kunthalavarali]

Bruhi mukundhethi rasane_Kurinji
Engum niraindirukkum endhaivam_Kurinji

[HarishankarK]

Jega Janani and Manam Kaninde same tune

[HarishankarK]

Krishna nee vegamaai vaaraai - is this really Papanasam Sivan??

[Pratyaksham Bala]

.
CHECK THIS !

Raghuvamsa sudha Tune:

Yamaha Nagari
https://youtu.be/AHUBXVpVZn8?t=1

[ajaysimha]

Krishna nee vegamaai vaaraai - is this really Papanasam Sivan??

Yess! Here is the link to video -
https://youtu.be/SfQUfIwSOoI
The description box of this video has all those details covered

[ajaysimha]

celineNEtlu sAhintunE has a counterpart in another tamizh song with the same tune - which Vid K Gayathri sang - I think youtube recording is available.

Please share the first line of the composition or the YouTube link.

And thanks all for the inputs.

[HarishankarK]

Sakhi naan yenna seivaenadi - is same tune as Cheli nene and it is composed by Vid Suguna Purushottamman
K Gayathri sings v often as also Venugaanam thenaai inikkidu which is a same tune of Vaani Pondu javali in Kaanada - again Vid Suguna Purushottaman

[shankarank]

If it is in rasikas and follows transliteration faithfully - easy to get it:


Here: https://youtu.be/NpAOfYmWQr4?t=8175

I had a report on the concert:
viewtopic.php?f=13&t=28109&p=307157&hil ... lu#p307157

[Pratyaksham Bala]

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‘Sathva Guna Bodhan’ is one of the songs in the Tamil Movie ‘Ashok Kumar’ of 1941. Written by Papanasam Sivan, and sung by M K Thyagaraja Bhagavathar, its tune is of the well known ‘Eppo Varuvaro’ by Gopalakrishna Bharati.
https://youtu.be/MQkwG-0W_0Y?t=1

[ajaysimha]

there is an film song 'unai kandu mayangada' inspired by famous bhairavi javali - elaradayane kamimi.
https://youtu.be/UFg-uoth6tw

and there is also a parody version of unai kandu mayangada song - https://youtu.be/ruMWTAz-e4M

[ajaysimha]

here is one more popular one - Dheena Karunakarane Nataraja sung beautifully by MKT, which was inspired by a marathi abhang tune.

vanu kiti re sadyaa vithuraya dinvastla (Sant Tukaram, a 1936 Marathi film)
https://youtu.be/4_4jCcnt3dg

Dheena Karunakarane (Thiruneelakantar, a 1939 Tamil film)
https://youtu.be/6wTGjx4lIQY

from wiki - "Soundtrack was composed by Papanasam Sivan. The song "Dheena Karunakaraney" was well received and became a cult classic."

[kmrasika]

nannu vidachi - thyagarajar

enna puṇṇiyam ceydēnō

Gananyakam bhajeham
Sri manini manohara 

śrī ramana nīvē

Bhaghyada Lakshmi
Sambandhi sappidavae

kalyāṇam kāṇavē vāruṅgaḷ

More:
raghuvaṁśa sudhāmbudhi
kadakudūhalarāgapriyē

mānasa sañcararē
pūlu ceṇḍlāḍene śrī rāmuḍu

entaṭi kulukē 
rāmuni bhajata
ennaḍi sakiyē

bhaja bhaja mānasa harimanavaradam
bhaja bhaja mānasa hariharaputram

vēganīvu nirammanavē
vēgamāgavarac collaḍi

val̥ļi kaṇavan pēṟai
aiyyapa svāmiyai

aḻaku deyvamāga vandu
ariyumāgi aṟanumāgi 

prāṇa sakhudiṭu
prāṇa patiyenai

ōm praṇava vimala gaṇapati
śrī rājarājeśvari
sarasijanābha

[Ananthakrishna]

While I'm not sure if the charanams are exactly the same, the composition Poonkuyil Koovum by Kalki Krishnamurthy and Baalam Aaye Baso (sung by Saigal for the film Devdas) have pronounced similarities.

Same goes for the Bhadrachala Ramadasa composition Nannu Brovamani Cheppave, and the Purandaradaasa devaranama Kallusakkare Kolliro.

Links given below

Poonkuyil Koovum
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyqUwU6thFA

Balam Aaye Baso
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8D1hav7Hsek

Nannu Brovamani Cheppave
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5cn7TVgYGI

Kallu Sakkare Kolliro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkwJrvd6IFI

[ajaysimha]

here is another interesting find ...
there is telugu sahithyam inspired by yaro ivar yaro (bhairavi)
from the movie Vipranarayana Telugu Movie sung and danced by Bhanumathi
listen to Evvade Athadu Evvade - https://youtu.be/JYEK6TeBZWw

[sikhivahana]

Siva peruman krupai vendum (MKT)
https://youtu.be/4bHNQRBV1F0

Mangalamaai vaazha vendum (TMS)
https://m.soundcloud.com/raksha-1/manga ... dum-suruti

[ajaysimha]

the tunes of poomel valarum annaiye of Mazhavai Chidambara Bharati
and vAnOr vaNangum annaiyE of papanAsam sivan are same.

[Lakshman]

pUraya mama kAmam in bilahari by Narayana Tirtha
pUjita mAdhavane gOpAla in bilahari-composer not known.
If someone has a recording of pUjita mAdhavanE I would appreciate getting it. Thanks.

[ajaysimha]

Many padams are in identical varnamettus and this has led to the standardization of certain melodies in Carnatic music. The great composers were very much captivated by these tunes and have adopted them in their compositions. Kshetragna's padam "Evvade," Govindasamayya's "Malini vinave," Sabhapathaya's "Darijucu," Ghanam Krishna Iyer's "Tanakku taane," Thyagaraja Swami's "Manasu svaadinamai," Muthuswami Dikshitar's "Akshaya linga vibho" and Papanasam Sivan's "Mahalakshmi jaganmaata" and some others are all in identical tunes.

[GautamTejasGaneshan]

... captivated by these tunes and have adopted them in their compositions.

"like old times, new times unfold
along much the same lines."

(see below.)

Kshetragna's padam "Evvade," Govindasamayya's "Malini vinave," Sabhapathaya's "Darijucu," Ghanam Krishna Iyer's "Tanakku taane," Thyagaraja Swami's "Manasu svaadinamai," Muthuswami Dikshitar's "Akshaya linga vibho" and Papanasam Sivan's "Mahalakshmi jaganmaata" and some others are all in identical tunes.

so, lemme add "tertiary knowing" to this list:

https://soundcloud.com/gautamtejasganes ... ry-knowing



(this pic is from: https://www.instagram.com/p/BHfgsK3jjI-)